Toffee. Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 *Totally not because I pulled it* [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121116193409/yugioh/images/thumb/e/ed/MermailAbysslinde-ABYR-EN-UR-1E.png/300px-MermailAbysslinde-ABYR-EN-UR-1E.png[/img] [quote][center]If this card on the field is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard: You can Special Summon 1 "Mermail" monster from your Deck, except "Mermail Abysslinde". You can only use the effect of "Mermail Abysslinde" once per turn.[/center][/quote][/center] I find it amusing how, despite the once-per-turn clause, its effect gives you a rather [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mermail_Abyssmegalo]large advantage[/url]. And considering 2x Torrential and the fact Dark Hole could be dropped on it, it's effect is rather trollish as far as Mermails go(at least the way [i]I[/i] see it). And part of me going to miss that old Mermail-Mash.dek I had... Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 The best way to use it is with end phase abyssphere. Ah, the shenanigans you can do with that, like summoning spike and discarding infantry to pop your opponent's big boss monster or summoning megalo for a quick and easy rank 7 OR an OTK with diva. That being said, this isn't the *main* problem card of the deck. The 3 cards that need to be hit badly are undine, abyssphere, and dragoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Poor undine, it gets all the h8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Well, undine is a +2 that searches out bosses, soooooooooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherz Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 But, undine was fine until * Brr* mermails/atleantians... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356747826' post='6104731'] Well, undine is a +2 that searches out bosses, soooooooooo... [/quote] Undine is a +1 that searches out a useless Tuner. He's not broken, Dragoons is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='TheKaitoKid' timestamp='1356760988' post='6104899'] Undine is a +1 that searches out a useless Tuner. He's not broken, Dragoons is. [/quote] 1. Undine is a technical +2 because he doesn't necessarily die. 2. Since when are tuners useless? Gungnir is a card you know. 3. Dragoons wouldn't be half as bad if undine didn't exist. Undine is much more of a problem card than dragoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356761527' post='6104908'] 1. Undine is a technical +2 because he doesn't necessarily die. 2. Since when are tuners useless? Gungnir is a card you know. 3. Dragoons wouldn't be half as bad if undine didn't exist. Undine is much more of a problem card than dragoons. [/quote] 1. No, he's a +1. Dammit man, learn card advantage. Hand to field = +0 Deck/Grave/Banish to hand = +1 or more From Extra = +1, before factoring in what was given up, and is always a natural -1-4, until you factor in effects. Destroying a card opp controls/in their hand = +1 Stealing a card they have = +2 (-1 them, +1 you) Losign a card from your hand/field = -1 Deck to grave, Grave to Banish, banish to deck, and vice versa = +0 Etc. 3. No, Dragoons is definitely far worse than Undine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 All dragoons needed to be ok was a "level 4 or lower" clause... ;~; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 The Atlanteans are broken, not the cards that dump them. By their very nature they restrict future card design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Yeah, imagine if there was an undine for Dark Worlds. I wonder which card would still be considered the problem. The undine or the Snoww / Grapha. Think about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356744458' post='6104682'] The best way to use it is with end phase abyssphere. [/quote] *before end phase Activate it in the End Phase and it won't nuke until the next End Phase. Js. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Kevin the Bird' timestamp='1356803263' post='6105155'] *before end phase Activate it in the End Phase and it won't nuke until the next End Phase. Js. [/quote] Same difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356803788' post='6105161'] Same difference. [/quote] Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356761527' post='6104908'] 2. Since when are tuners useless? Gungnir is a card you know. [/quote] Normal Summons don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Howling Black' timestamp='1356761947' post='6104915'] 1. No, he's a +1. Dammit man, learn card advantage. [/quote] Think he meant "technical" as in "add one card to hand then *insert atlantean effect you just triggered here*" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1356806751' post='6105205'] Normal Summons don't exist. [/quote]Abyssphere is a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356806975' post='6105209'] Abyssphere is a card. [/quote] [img]http://mclean.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-you-dont-say-female-l.png[/img] The point is, there's better stuff to waste your Normal Summon on besides a potential Gungnir that can just get itself Solemn'd anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356806975' post='6105209'] Abyssphere is a card. [/quote] Abyssphere doesn't summon the tuner. And you just wasted your Normal Summon to add that Tuner to your hand. So it's a slow synchro play when you're really only using Undine to trigger those guys from your deck that have freaking amazing effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Kevin the Bird' timestamp='1356806876' post='6105207'] Think he meant "technical" as in "add one card to hand then *insert atlantean effect you just triggered here*" [/quote][quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356761527' post='6104908'] 1. Undine is a technical +2 because [b]he doesn't necessarily die.[/b] [/quote]I am extremely skeptical that that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I'm just wondering why I read "Undine is a problem card". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Kevin the Bird' timestamp='1356807190' post='6105214'] Abyssphere doesn't summon the tuner. And you just wasted your Normal Summon to add that Tuner to your hand. So it's a slow synchro play when you're really only using Undine to trigger those guys from your deck that have freaking amazing effects. [/quote] A slow synchro play that can literally win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1356808482' post='6105226'] A slow synchro play that can literally win games. [/quote] And it wasn't all those destruction/search cards that won it huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 abyssmegalo is a much larger problem than undine because abyssmegalo can activate 3 atlanteans for basically nothing and is a 2400 double attacker if that happens. and abyssmegalo isnt even the main problem with the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 [quote name='Kevin the Bird' timestamp='1356808594' post='6105227'] And it wasn't all those destruction/search cards that won it huh? [/quote]I'm not entirely sure what you're saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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