Sora1499 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120911220349/yugioh/images/a/ab/WindUpZenmaines-CT09-EN-SR-LE.png[/img] Because I heard in the RC section that he is "the most broken card ever". >_> Honestly, it's kinda sad that a well-designed, balanced card like him was lumped together with the rest of those gosh darn Wind-Ups. Anyways, discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 This is far from well designed. It's not horrible design, and it's not broken, but it's certainly not well designed. It brings games to an absolute halt when it shouldn't be able to and very few cards can actually work around it and it can force your opponent to overextend. It's not a fair card, nor is it a balanced card, but it still manages to sit below the broken line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357098764' post='6108772'] This is far from well designed. It's not horrible design, and it's not broken, but it's certainly not well designed. It brings games to an absolute halt when it shouldn't be able to and very few cards can actually work around it and it can force your opponent to overextend. It's not a fair card, nor is it a balanced card, but it still manages to sit below the broken line. [/quote] Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [IMG]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121005002004/yugioh/images/thumb/1/11/CompulsoryEvacuationDevice-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-CompulsoryEvacuationDevice-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='- Neo -' timestamp='1357100197' post='6108786'] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121005002004/yugioh/images/thumb/1/11/CompulsoryEvacuationDevice-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-CompulsoryEvacuationDevice-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] [/quote] [spoiler=Bad Argument is bad because] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121005002218/yugioh/images/thumb/b/be/SolemnJudgment-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-SolemnJudgment-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://www.mathsisfun.com/images/greater-than.gif[/img][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122005711/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b4/ShootingQuasarDragon-JUMP-EN-UR-LE.png/300px-ShootingQuasarDragon-JUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img] [/spoiler] unless you weren't arguing balance via counterability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357100803' post='6108791'] [spoiler=Bad Argument is bad because] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121005002218/yugioh/images/thumb/b/be/SolemnJudgment-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-SolemnJudgment-LCYW-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://www.mathsisfun.com/images/greater-than.gif[/img][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122005711/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b4/ShootingQuasarDragon-JUMP-EN-UR-LE.png/300px-ShootingQuasarDragon-JUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img] [/spoiler] unless you weren't arguing balance via counterability. [/quote] I think he was just pointing out a counter, black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It might have been less broken with lower defense (1500? 1800?). Something that a level 4 could run over, anyways. As it is.. the fact that there are answers to it doesn't make it less broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I like it, its passively aggressive . I dislike how you can make it from a one-card investment via TGU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Oh, no, I was merely saying that it's hilarious to Compulse a Zenmaines. I mean really, there's not much else to discuss since we've had this conversation so many times that I figured a shiny image of CED would at least contribute positively. Zenmaines is Zenmaines. It's not broken, it's not balanced, it just is. It'll never see list attention and it doesn't really need to. It's pretty much a staple if you can make it but it's not the be-all-end-all of cards like it was hyped to be when it first came out. It's the Utopia of Rank 3's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's quite a bit better than Utopia, though. Maestroke would be a better comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='b0b3rt' timestamp='1357106722' post='6108861'] It's quite a bit better than Utopia, though. Maestroke would be a better comparison. [/quote] I'm way out of the loop with the metagame because I'm somewhat losing interest, but last I knew anyway Utopia was pretty much a Rank 4 Staple and that's all I was going for with this. Though I suppose Maestroke has plenty of positives too. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1357098455' post='6108767'] I heard in the RC section that he is "the most broken card ever". >_>[/quote] [img]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/406/599/153.gif[/img] But in all seriousness, the card is just obnoxious, and a pain to deal with. ...Mostly from its ease of Summoning, which makes it so herpderp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110220181043/yugioh/images/thumb/a/a3/BeckontoDarkness-JP-Anime-DM.png/300px-BeckontoDarkness-JP-Anime-DM.png[/img] js, Konami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Have to agree that if Tour Guide wasn't a card this would be a lot less annoying. A -1 to summon this isn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Stalls out the game and provides the player with too much safety, and causes great risk to get rid of it. Could be banned for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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