Northern Sage Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121018043602/yugioh/images/8/85/AtlanteanDragoons-SDRE-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img] [quote]All [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Face-up"]face-up[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level"]Level[/url] 3 or lower [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Sea_Serpent"]Sea Serpent[/url]-[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type"]Type[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Card"]monsters[/url] you [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]control[/url] can [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Attack"]attack[/url] your opponent [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Direct_attack"]directly[/url]. When this card is [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Send"]sent[/url] to the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Graveyard"]Graveyard[/url] to [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]activate[/url] a [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/WATER"]WATER[/url] monster's [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_effect"]effect:[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Add_a_card"]Add[/url] 1 Sea Serpent-Type monster from your [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Deck"]Deck[/url] to your [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hand"]hand[/url], except "Atlantean Dragoons".[/quote] Here's to March 1st and hoping this thing will be hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Ehhhhhh... Im only upset with how it(and all the atlanteans) made megaloabyss go from -1 to drop from hand to +1 to drop from hand,the search part is managable imo if you hit glacia and diva or sphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 It should be at 1 or 2, but 3 is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 **lifts wine glass** Here's. OT: Should have had a Level 4 or lower clause. Then, it would give some incentive to run the Atlanteans no one uses, like Heavy Infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1357657183' post='6115154'] Atlanteans no one uses, like Heavy Infantry. [/quote] Waitiwaitwait. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 This can search Moulin Glace. That's my only problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Trinity Gem - Dem' timestamp='1357657984' post='6115163'] This can search Moulin Glace. That's my only problem with it. [/quote] Glacia is probably banworthy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1357657183' post='6115154'] **lifts wine glass** Here's. OT: Should have had a Level 4 or lower clause. Then, it would give some incentive to run the Atlanteans no one uses, like Heavy Infantry. [/quote] People use Heavy Infantry though. Goddamn YCM. Also I feel that Megalo and this could probably both be hit without causing much trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Hahaha no one uses Heavy Infantry. Anyway this could be banned TBQH, it's pretty broken even without searching Glace as it can search Megalo, which isn't broken, and Diva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1357665555' post='6115250'] Hahaha no one uses Heavy Infantry. Anyway this could be banned TBQH, it's pretty broken even without searching Glace as it can search Megalo, which isn't broken, and Diva. [/quote] It sort of breaks the balanced on it's own megaloabyss,along with the other 2 atlanteans,pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1357653601' post='6115128'] Im only upset with how it(and all the atlanteans) made megaloabyss go from -1 to drop from hand to +1 to drop from hand,the search part is managable imo if you hit glacia and diva or sphere. [/quote]It's managable if you hit 3 other cards? Good plan. I know you're all "don't hit the searcher, hit the broken targets", but this card's searches are far too unrestrictive for that, by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357667143' post='6115278'] It's managable if you hit 3 other cards? Good plan. I know you're all "don't hit the searcher, hit the broken targets", but this card's searches are far too unrestrictive for that, by far. [/quote] Nah,i wouldnt hit the targets,just the atlanteans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'll admit I'm not very aware of how good Atlanteans are, but is this card REALLY that broken? Is it on the same level as something like Centipede or Stratos? It seems like a fairly restrictive (although not in its own Deck, I imagine) method of triggering its effect and it searches for a rather undersupported Type (Sea-Serpents). Granted, it can search any Sea Serpent, but...wait, it can search Glace? Oh god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1357676122' post='6115402'] I'll admit I'm not very aware of how good Atlanteans are, but is this card REALLY that broken? [/quote] It searches Moulinglacia, Abyssmegalo and any other possible atlanteans at the cost of using it to pay for costs. It's like how Sinister Serpant made -1s plusses, but this searches boss monsters. Not to mention Undine exists (which is an iffy subject in the first place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1357676122' post='6115402'] I'll admit I'm not very aware of how good Atlanteans are, but is this card REALLY that broken? Is it on the same level as something like Centipede or Stratos? It seems like a fairly restrictive (although not in its own Deck, I imagine) method of triggering its effect and it searches for a rather undersupported Type (Sea-Serpents). Granted, it can search any Sea Serpent, but...wait, it can search Glace? Oh god. [/quote] the atlanteans in general completely negate any costs for using cards like abyssmegalo and turn it into plusses. this at the very least needs to be hit. several of the other atlanteans could be hit too and i wouldnt mind. id consider hitting abyssmegalo but im willing to go both ways on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1357696971' post='6115717'] the atlanteans in general completely negate any costs for using cards like abyssmegalo and turn it into plusses. this at the very least needs to be hit. several of the other atlanteans could be hit too and i wouldnt mind. id consider hitting abyssmegalo but im willing to go both ways on that one. [/quote] I'd rather hit abyssphere. It toolboxes your spikes and supplies you with 2400 double-attacking beaters for basically nothing. Or we could ban linde and I'd be fine with sphere at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 i see your logic but honestly you more often want to ss abyssmegalo from hand to pop stuff. i mean hitting abyss sphere is all well and good but i dont think its really enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Most of the time, I'd rather grab him with sphere than SS him from hand, even if you do get the pop+search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Linde's not even broken ffs. This and Abyss-Sphere are the biggest problems, in my mind, but the deck's like Plants- EVERYTHING WORKS TOGETHER WAY TOO WELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357699471' post='6115760'] Linde's not even broken ffs. This and Abyss-Sphere are the biggest problems, in my mind, but the deck's like Plants- EVERYTHING WORKS TOGETHER WAY TOO WELL. [/quote] yeah thats true. thats why its hard to figure out exactly what to hit. because theres just so much of it all working in harmony to create the most awful nightmare of a deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 This, Infantry, and Marksman all need to be at 0. As said, they take costs and turn them into +s. Linde is better than Sphere, since Sphere is only a plus because of Linde to begin with. Without Linde, Sphere would either provide a beater for a turn (and result in a -1) or you could chain it to MST to do a +0 search off Pike, which wouldn't be a problem without Atlanteans. In conclusion: Ban Dragoons, Infantry, Marksman, and Linde. Megalo becomes a -1 which can double attack for another -1 (which is pretty ok), Pike becomes a 1-for-1 searcher which can be Veilered, and Undine becomes entirely useless. Because nobody cares about plussing for a Controller. Oh, and also ban Glacia, because that s***'s stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I can't see Konami hitting Mermanteans as hard as everything says they need too. If you do, then the deck practically dies. If anything, limit Dragoon, possibly limit Linde/Abyss Megalo (since everyone supposedly hates the fact that Linde searches him), limit/semi-limit Moulin-Grace (though I guess that doesn't really do much, because people mainly only 2 of this card anyway. so Limit it?), and possibly hit Diva (it's a TGU for the Atlanteans . . . ). No single card is really the issue with Mermails/Atlanteans. Just as Black said, they have such great SYNERGY WITH EACH OTHER that it's hard to know what is the problem. Even if all of them were at 1 Mermanteans can still produce crazy combos, but that should make them banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Nobody ever runs more than 1 Glacia because it sucks to draw him and it's really easy to search him. So it needs a complete ban because it's a free +2 with a gigantic body. And no, it's pretty obvious what the problem cards are - the ones that generate advantage. The ones that generate advantage are the Atlanteans that reward you for using them as costs. Linde is arguable a problem because it tutors into a level 7 beatstick, but apart from that the other cards are fine (the Mermails, anyways). Diva should get banned and stay banned, or at least be put to 1 so it can only be run in a dedicated deck, but that has little to do with Atlanteans. Edit: and if this kills the whole deck (which it would), then the deck deserves to be killed. It's almost as bad as Dragonfly + Hornet in terms of advantage generation and player interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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