Yellow, Green and Red Gadget

[Resident Fascist]

 

I'm sure you can read those. If not get glasses lol. Anyway, with the release of Tin(plate) Goldfish in the TCG, I'm seriously hoping Tinplate (Machina) Gadget does well since I've always been a serious fan of the deck, the monsters do a good job at what they do, thinning the deck and maintaining a large hand, Machine is an amazing type, obviously the support with Machinas is really nice, Fortress is a broken card etc etc what can I say. whilst also having Xyz potential now to go into bigger bosses. Basicially Bermuda Triangle of YGO, except without the bouncing, or something like that.

 

...unfortunately, it probably won't do well because of all the bullshit in our game. Also, any time I hear "Gadget", I think of Crazy Gadget from SA2 :/

[Superdoopertrooper]

They've always been a pretty brainless deck to play though imo; summon a gadget, set backrow, ad nauseum. The Xyz mechanic has now kind of broken them, allowing them to make +0 Xyz's which then go on to make +1 or +2's themselves. When we get King Gremlin, the deck will be even more auto-pilot, as Kagetokage will be another version of Tinplate Goldfish and King Gremlin can search it out just as Gigant X searches Tinplate.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

They've always been a pretty brainless deck to play though imo; summon a gadget, set backrow, ad nauseum. The Xyz mechanic has now kind of broken them, allowing them to make +0 Xyz's which then go on to make +1 or +2's themselves. When we get King Gremlin, the deck will be even more auto-pilot, as Kagetokage will be another version of Tinplate Goldfish and King Gremlin can search it out just as Gigant X searches Tinplate.

 

oh no, what will we ever do when gadget reptiles become a reality? except have fun with a cool and neat casual deck.

 

like shit, it takes more thought than the shit you want back.

 

OT: if they only activated on normal summon, what little issue i have with them would be gone. also maybe ill consider making this once king feral imp and gentlooper pop up. its goofy but fun both to play and play against.

[Canadian]

Its consistent.

Its stun.

Its the reason Ultimate Offering should be banned.

Its slow.

Its bad.

[Superdoopertrooper]

oh no, what will we ever do when gadget reptiles become a reality? except have fun with a cool and neat casual deck.

 

like shit, it takes more thought than the shit you want back.

 

OT: if they only activated on normal summon, what little issue i have with them would be gone. also maybe ill consider making this once king feral imp and gentlooper pop up. its goofy but fun both to play and play against.

 

Are you kidding? Gadgets take literally zero thought to play. If you have Tinplate, you summon it, special your gadget, search, stack for Gigant X, get another Tinplate, set backrow. Rinse and repeat. And if they have UO, you auto-lose. There is almost never ANY variation in what they do. It's pretty much the definition of an auto-pilot deck.

 

The "shit" I want back is way more interesting than what this insanely repetitive deck does.

[Resident Fascist]

Are you kidding? Gadgets take literally zero thought to play. If you have Tinplate, you summon it, special your gadget, search, stack for Gigant X, get another Tinplate, set backrow. Rinse and repeat. And if they have UO, you auto-lose. There is almost never ANY variation in what they do. It's pretty much the definition of an auto-pilot deck.

 

The "shit" I want back is way more interesting than what this insanely repetitive deck does.

 

Are you kidding? Who cares about what you post anymore after saying such silly stuff like MoF should come to 3? Sure, Exodia loops and whatever are more fun than playing Gadgets. And the deck does take thought to play, every deck does.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

Are you kidding? Gadgets take literally zero thought to play. If you have Tinplate, you summon it, special your gadget, search, stack for Gigant X, get another Tinplate, set backrow. Rinse and repeat. And if they have UO, you auto-lose. There is almost never ANY variation in what they do. It's pretty much the definition of an auto-pilot deck.

 

The "shit" I want back is way more interesting than what this insanely repetitive deck does.

 

im not heralding it as some champion thinking man's deck. its silly and once you start throwing cards on the field its pretty autopilot. but im never ever going to agree with your opinions, because thinking multiple PROVEN problematic cards can come back just because is akin to pissing in a pool, and now you have to float in that piss. forever.

[L0SS]

Are you kidding? Gadgets take literally zero thought to play. If you have Tinplate, you summon it, special your gadget, search, stack for Gigant X, get another Tinplate, set backrow. Rinse and repeat. And if they have UO, you auto-lose. There is almost never ANY variation in what they do. It's pretty much the definition of an auto-pilot deck.

 

The "shit" I want back is way more interesting than what this insanely repetitive deck does.

You've basically just described Yugioh. 

[Superdoopertrooper]

Are you kidding? Who cares about what you post anymore after saying such silly stuff like MoF should come to 3? Sure, Exodia loops and whatever are more fun than playing Gadgets. And the deck does take thought to play, every deck does.

 

There's something seriously wrong with you if you think that Faith can't come back. It's just a slightly better and more playable (but still pretty bad) version of mask of darkness. Mask was once limited like Faith was. It didn't need to be, and Faith doesn't need to be banned. Magician of faith is a slow card and would therefore only see play in slow decks. That's precisely what we should be trying to encourage, slowing decks back down and making them more strategic like they used to be.

[L0SS]

There's something seriously wrong with you if you think that Faith can't come back. It's just a slightly better and more playable (but still pretty bad) version of mask of darkness. Mask was once limited like Faith was. It didn't need to be, and Faith doesn't need to be banned. Magician of faith is a slow card and would therefore only see play in slow decks. That's precisely what we should be trying to encourage, slowing decks back down and making them more strategic like they used to be.

MoF allows you to reuse spell cards that are limited for a reason. That defeats the point of limiting these cards in the first place, and is a stupid idea. End of story.

[Superdoopertrooper]

MoF allows you to reuse spell cards that are limited for a reason. That defeats the point of limiting these cards in the first place, and is a stupid idea. End of story.

 

Wtf? The EXACT same thing could be said about mask of darkness letting you reuse traps that are 'limited for a reason'. That reason is so bad it isn't funny. No-one is going to waste a turn to have a chance at getting back a Spell from their grave, especially seeing as there is no guarantee that a Spell you want at the time is even going to be in there.

[Sora1499]

I thought this topic was about the gadgets, not about our old gal Faith. As for the gadgets, they make for a hilarious engine with Redox and help out Fortress.

[L0SS]

Wtf? The EXACT same thing could be said about mask of darkness letting you reuse traps that are 'limited for a reason'. That reason is so bad it isn't funny. No-one is going to waste a turn to have a chance at getting back a Spell from their grave, especially seeing as there is no guarantee that a Spell you want at the time is even going to be in there.

But on the whole, traps are slower; and limited spell cards are more often than not infinitely more usable/abusable than traps. Gateway, Whirlwind, Launcher, RotA, CotLB. All huge engines cards that were limited so as not to make their related archetypes broken. The traps which are limited are all generic, and arguably all not worth the time. Even in terms of non limited cards, Spellbooks could use MoF consistently to pull Secrets and whatever else they need. 

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

the problem with gadgets vs *insert multiple banned cards here* is this: are gadgets dumb and thoughtless? yes. but are they degenerate? no. do they restrict other decks? no. do they polarize the game? no. are they vastly unfair and unfun for the opponent? no. stuff like fiber jar, 3 malicious, elma ARE problematic and saying "well its tier THREE (not 2 or 4, but 3)" doesnt change that fact. and the fact that you have thoroughly proven you are incapable of analyzing cards on their own merits or issues, and have to rely on the inaccurate barometer of ~*~the meta~*~ means that your opinion on most matters in this game are suspect.

[Superdoopertrooper]

But on the whole, traps are slower; and limited spell cards are more often than not infinitely more usable/abusable than traps. Gateway, Whirlwind, Launcher, RotA, CotLB. All huge engines cards that were limited so as not to make their related archetypes broken. The traps which are limited are all generic, and arguably all not worth the time. Even in terms of non limited cards, Spellbooks could use MoF consistently to pull Secrets and whatever else they need. 

 

So now you're using slowness as a reason, when Faith herself is slow. And ffs, Sams are NOT going to run MoF, because they will virtually never have Gateway in the grave and they rather use their normal summon on something much better. And using her in Spellbooks? That is just terrible. Instead of setting her and maybe getting her blown up, why not just summon Spellbook magician and get whatever you want straight from your deck at a +1?

[L0SS]

So now you're using slowness as a reason, when Faith herself is slow. And ffs, Sams are NOT going to run MoF, because they will virtually never have Gateway in the grave. And using her in Spellbooks? That is just terrible. Instead of setting her and maybe getting her blown up, why not just summon Spellbook magician and get whatever you want straight from your deck at a +1?

But it adds fuel to the fire. It's in no ones' interest to bring it back. Reusing Spell cards is a bad idea. That is all. 

 

Back on topic, I liked gadgets when they were first released. You can argue that they are pretty basic and formulaic, but at least it isn't Exodia.

They aren't brilliantly designed, but they are aesthetically pleasing and I have no real problem with them. If you like your game drained of fun, by all means use them.

[Superdoopertrooper]

the problem with gadgets vs *insert multiple banned cards here* is this: are gadgets dumb and thoughtless? yes. but are they degenerate? no. do they restrict other decks? no. do they polarize the game? no. are they vastly unfair and unfun for the opponent? no. stuff like fiber jar, 3 malicious, elma ARE problematic and saying "well its tier THREE (not 2 or 4, but 3)" doesnt change that fact. and the fact that you have thoroughly proven you are incapable of analyzing cards on their own merits or issues, and have to rely on the inaccurate barometer of ~*~the meta~*~ means that your opinion on most matters in this game are suspect.

 

Gadgets are degenerate now. Playing 9 gadgets is much stronger than anything 3 Mali can do. Gadgets are much more consistent and generate much more advantage than what a deck with 3 Mali would. 3 Mali wouldn't 'polarize' the game or restrict other decks either, it would in fact increase deck diversity in a good way. Gadgets are unfun to play against, because they just do the exact same thing over and over and they punish you for not being able to get over their Xyz monsters because if you don't, they generate more advantage on their next turn which they use to make yet more Xyz's.

[Aerion Brightflame]

So Gadgets are being called an Autopilot deck?

 

Yeah, that's fair, but I'd rather play against Gadgets than any of the current meta, or half the stuff on the banlist you are insistent on bringing back.

 

Also... you say the decks unfun to play against because just do the exact same thing over and over and over. Isn't that what a good portion of the meta has been doing for a long time now? If you think that repetitive decks are bad to play against, why the hell are you taking this game seriously then?

 

Also credit to Gadgets for managing to stay competitive for so very very long.

[Mugendramon]

JUUUUUUST getting this out of the way, you guys shouldn't go poisoning the well.

 

He's said some terrible and stupid shit but he has a point with Gadgets. Reptile Gadgets are silly but they're the same thing except you use King Feral Imp to search Shadow Lizard instead of Tinplate. You're doing the EXACT, SAME, THING.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

JUUUUUUST getting this out of the way, you guys shouldn't go poisoning the well.

 

He's said some terrible and stupid shit but he has a point with Gadgets. Reptile Gadgets are silly but they're the same thing except you use King Feral Imp to search Shadow Lizard instead of Tinplate. You're doing the EXACT, SAME, THING.

 

but his point is still stupid because "doing the same thing (thats not unbalanced or objectionable outside of being repetitive)" is in no way comparable to allowing known problem cards back into the game for shits and "tier 3 builds". like its such a pointless point that even if it werent coming from HIM, i would object to it.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

How I remembered making Machina Gadget with 3 Solidarity and basically winning every duel in 3 turns... Good times... 2010 times...

As for Gadget decks now, they're really, really mundane. But still, they're at least 20 times better than all the OTK and FTK rubbish we see nowadays. 

[Superdoopertrooper]

but his point is still stupid because "doing the same thing (thats not unbalanced or objectionable outside of being repetitive)" is in no way comparable to allowing known problem cards back into the game for shits and "tier 3 builds". like its such a pointless point that even if it werent coming from HIM, i would object to it.

 

You either have extremely selective vision or have no good comeback. My last post explained why gadgets are degenerate and unbalanced now. And just because a card is on the list doesn't mean it's an actual problem. You (and many others here) were probably one of those poor souls who thought that Tsukuyomi was broken and shouldn't come back when it was banned either.

[Mugendramon]

I just want to be clear about one thing, Gadgets aren't broken. They're stupid, but not broken. Because even if you were saying that they are because of current cards, you should consider the entire cardpool of current cards.

 

Think Merlantean Spellbooks Fire Fist Incarnate Dragons Evilswarm etc.

 

Those are way off the charts in comparison to Gadgets.

[Sora1499]

You either have extremely selective vision or have no good comeback. My last post explained why gadgets are degenerate and unbalanced now. And just because a card is on the list doesn't mean it's an actual problem. You (and many others here) were probably one of those poor souls who thought that Tsukuyomi was broken and shouldn't come back when it was banned either.

I don't see how gadgets are particularly unbalanced or degenerate. Yeah, they're repetitive and mindless, but they're fun to use and decent to play against.

[Aerion Brightflame]

You either have extremely selective vision or have no good comeback. My last post explained why gadgets are degenerate and unbalanced now. And just because a card is on the list doesn't mean it's an actual problem. You (and many others here) were probably one of those poor souls who thought that Tsukuyomi was broken and shouldn't come back when it was banned either.

 

So Gadgets are degenerate for the game, but Elma loops aren't?

 

Gadgets in perspective aren't broken, and are actually a deck a lot of people wouldn't mind being meta. They might be unbalanced, but what in the game is balanced nowadays?