Blake Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-Berserker- Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Book of Moon it, SS Hardened Armed Dragon and tribute both for The Tyrant Neptune. Play 3 Nobleman of Crossout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 No, yeah, let's put Metamorphosis to 1. Definitely no problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 [quote name="Agro" post="6176439" timestamp="1365268928"]No, yeah, let's put Metamorphosis to 1. Definitely no problem here.[/quote] Suddenly EDragons can run Oppression... DO IT. DO IT KONAMI. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. OT: I don't like how this card turns the game state into a pseudo-lock. Blech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 its balancing factor is the fact that it has two of the worst fusion materials possible. thats pretty much it. i mean even the self nuke has its advantages if used right. obv a good reason for metamorphosis to stay gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 There's a reason this effect is one-of-a-kind. Without Metamorphosis and Temple of the Kinds to cheat this thing out, he has to be Fusion Summoned, and his materials are garbage. He's just too high a Level for Fusion Weapon, which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 One of my favorite cards, and oh lawdy mama that art. Effect is unique and balanced, and not necessarily that hard to crack for a well-rounded deck. Metamorphosis to 1 plox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 One of my favorite cards, and oh lawdy mama that art. Effect is unique and balanced, and not necessarily that hard to crack for a well-rounded deck. Metamorphosis to 1 plox. I pray to god that's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6176469" timestamp="1365270833"]One of my favorite cards, and oh lawdy mama that art. Effect is unique and balanced, and not necessarily that hard to crack for a well-rounded deck. Metamorphosis to 1 plox.[/quote] Naaaaaaahhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 I dont really see what's so super special awesome about the art...Anyway, it'd probably have to go for morph to come back, and im ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 I pray to god that's a joke. The art part is reasonable. CTRL + Q to Enable/Disable GoPhoto.it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Zombyra isn't bad. Runs over Raio-Oh (which doesn't matter atm) and is an insant DDV target (which matters less atm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Zombyra isn't bad. Runs over Raio-Oh (which doesn't matter atm) and is an insant DDV target (which matters less atm). it is bad though because it cant push for game and steadily becomes worse and worse. there are better ddv targets and cards that run over rai-oh, for pretty much any deck where its rlevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Zombyra isn't bad. Runs over Raio-Oh (which doesn't matter atm) and is an insant DDV target (which matters less atm). -Card X isn't bad -Card X has 2 uses which aren't really relevant, according to my own words Thank you for that gem. Seriously, this card needs something to make it usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Seriously, this card needs something to make it usable. It exists :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 It exists :) 11/10 logics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 inb4cyber-steinvsmetamorphosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 The art part is reasonable. CTRL + Q to Enable/Disable GoPhoto.it I meant the Metamorphosis bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 inb4cyber-steinvsmetamorphosis Kinda moot becaue both of them are banned, one of whom was an E-Ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 11/10 logics Because searchable +1's are the same as situational -1's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Because searchable +1's are the same as situational -1's... The saying "Put up or shut up" comes into play here. If putting it to 1 would be that broken, then show us how it would be. Give us a quantitative mathematical description of how a deck with 1 Cyber-Stein in it would even be remotely feasible, even in the most casual of circumstances. What is the raw probability of this card occurring? How susceptible is it to interruption from the opponent? Cards are innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof is on those advocating its ban. So far, no one has actually given a quantitative reason for why Cyber-Stein shouldn't be legal. If you give one and it is mathematically sound, then sure, I'll be the first to concede your point and commend you for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 I like this dude, it looks badass. Never actually built a deck around it though. And whoever says that Metamorphosis should come back needs to go to Yugimonz jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 The saying "Put up or shut up" comes into play here. If putting it to 1 would be that broken, then show us how it would be. Give us a quantitative mathematical description of how a deck with 1 Cyber-Stein in it would even be remotely feasible, even in the most casual of circumstances. What is the raw probability of this card occurring? How susceptible is it to interruption from the opponent? Cards are innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof is on those advocating its ban. So far, no one has actually given a quantitative reason for why Cyber-Stein shouldn't be legal. If you give one and it is mathematically sound, then sure, I'll be the first to concede your point and commend you for it. D***-riding Arma again I see. Is that all you've got? Cyber Stein is not a card that requires to be used in combination with other cards in order to be ran effectively, which when you consider what it does, can be a potential issue. Assuming no draw cards are used on turn 1, the raw probability of drawing Cyber Stein is 15%. In other words, a person going first in the duel would have a 15% chance of getting a 2800 Beater for paying 5K Life which prevents their opponent from activating Spell and Trap cards (locking out roughly 60% of the opponents deck, depending on the deck) and this bonus does not come at the expense of the deck needing to use it at all in order to win. While it does have drawbacks, such as being potentially dead after turn 1 if you have 5K life or less, the drawback of drawing it at this point can be considered to not be on par with the advantage it would give you if you did draw it early on in the game which would often grant you a victory in itself. In simple terms, dead drawing this later on wont cause you to auto-lose, but drawing it early can cause you to auto-win, hence the unbalanced nature of the card in the current legal card pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 No one's dickriding anyone except you. Frankly, I'm impressed. I didn't think it was possible for someone to fuck themselves so hard. Metamorphosis turns any Level 8 into a 2800 ATK double attacker, any Level 7 into an over-9000 Royal Oppression, and any Level 10 into an unrestricted Shi-En. Explain to me how Grapha, Judgment Dragon, the E-Dragons, Mermails, Trag, REDMD, etc. deserve to be given that just because you want to make a card with a broken effect playable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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