Guest Star Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 The original ATK of all face-up monsters you control becomes 0, until the End Phase. Each time a monster that had its original ATK reduced to 0 by this effect is destroyed by battle and send to the Graveyard, draw 1 card. This card should be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Except it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 It's terrible. The only way I'd ever even consider using it at ALL is if I were using it with a monster that gives my opponent Battle Damage, or I swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Yubel gives your opponent Battle Damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Yubel can't be destroyed by battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 definatly shouldnt be limited 1-Only applies to ur face up monsters 2- 0 attack 3-Have to be destroyed by battle and sent to graveyard one thing does the effect last after the turn you activated meaning that any time one of the monsters is destroyed you draw 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 well i used it on my dark mimics lv 3 in my crap dark deck so i get 2 cards for the price of 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Lol. this card is bad. Yubel obviously doesnt work with thissss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 The draw effect isn't the point of this card. Haven't you all noticed its other use? DNA Surgery + Machine Duplication + Alchemy Cycle Oh, wait, that use is bad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 The draw effect isn't the point of this card. Haven't you all noticed its other use? DNA Surgery + Machine Duplication + Alchemy Cycle Oh' date=' wait, that use is bad too.[/quote']What would be something good to summon with that combo, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonenhikada Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Are you saying that this is a good card because, in some hypothetical reality where -1'ing yourself and losing field advantage becomes a pro move, someone might actually play this card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Actually no, it isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good.This card has been around for a while, and I haven't seen it in competitive use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good.This card has been around for a while' date=' and I haven't seen it in competitive use.[/quote'] And that's for a very good reason. (Though it really hasn't been around for long. The prerelease was only a month or two ago.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonenhikada Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Are you saying that this is a good card because' date=' in some hypothetical reality where -1'ing yourself and losing field advantage becomes a pro move, someone might actually play this card?[/quote'] Insulting someone who has a different view than you is not becoming of a new mod,have a better attitude towards people your not always correct. combos that can work well scapegoat + this card, they never said tokens were excluded and token monsters are considered monster. another way Spirit Barrier+ this card these are 2 combos that can work well.Also people they just said face-up they never said it had to be in ATK mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Are you saying that this is a good card because' date=' in some hypothetical reality where -1'ing yourself and losing field advantage becomes a pro move, someone might actually play this card?[/quote'] Insulting someone who has a different view than you is not becoming of a new mod,have a better attitude towards people your not always correct. I never insulted you; I merely said that you were wrong. There is a difference. scapegoat + this card' date=' they never said tokens were excluded and token monsters are considered monster.[/quote'] Alchemy Cycle says "The original ATK of all face-up monsters you control becomes 0 until the End Phase. Each time a monster that had its original ATK reduced to 0 by this effect is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, draw 1 card." No tokens. Spirit Barrier+ this card The battle damage was never the issue; the loss of advantage was the problem. these are 2 combos that can work well. Except they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 the only thing i can fined that this would be good for is sideing against a yubel deck so u dont take a hit ect. but no this card fails hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonenhikada Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Are you saying that this is a good card because' date=' in some hypothetical reality where -1'ing yourself and losing field advantage becomes a pro move, someone might actually play this card?[/quote'] Insulting someone who has a different view than you is not becoming of a new mod,have a better attitude towards people your not always correct. I never insulted you; I merely said that you were wrong. There is a difference. scapegoat + this card' date=' they never said tokens were excluded and token monsters are considered monster.[/quote'] Alchemy Cycle says "The original ATK of all face-up monsters you control becomes 0 until the End Phase. Each time a monster that had its original ATK reduced to 0 by this effect is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, draw 1 card." No tokens. Spirit Barrier+ this card The battle damage was never the issue; the loss of advantage was the problem. these are 2 combos that can work well. Except they don't. where on the card said excluding tokens,token cards are considered monster cards. so you lose a few monster but this is perfect to activate if your gonna lose your monster anyway in battle. the combos work well,you just like to disagree,and look how you phrased your original response that sounds like an insult to me. Token monsters: definition Monster Tokens are used in place of Monster Cards. (The Tokens represent monsters) (key word here) that appear on the field as a result of a card being activated. These monsters are not included in the Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 ^ tokens never touch the graveyard there just blown up <. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 basiclly you give your field advantage for your hand advangtage? not a smart move at all. it's a smart move every single person would say it's bad until someone uses it in a tournament's and kicks butt. this card is very good. Are you saying that this is a good card because' date=' in some hypothetical reality where -1'ing yourself and losing field advantage becomes a pro move, someone might actually play this card?[/quote'] Insulting someone who has a different view than you is not becoming of a new mod,have a better attitude towards people your not always correct. I never insulted you; I merely said that you were wrong. There is a difference. scapegoat + this card' date=' they never said tokens were excluded and token monsters are considered monster.[/quote'] Alchemy Cycle says "The original ATK of all face-up monsters you control becomes 0 until the End Phase. Each time a monster that had its original ATK reduced to 0 by this effect is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, draw 1 card." No tokens. Spirit Barrier+ this card The battle damage was never the issue; the loss of advantage was the problem. these are 2 combos that can work well. Except they don't. where on the card said excluding tokens' date='token cards are considered monster cards.[/quote'] Did you read the part that I bolded? so you lose a few monster but this is perfect to activate if your gonna lose your monster anyway in battle. Jar of Greed would also allow you to draw one card in that situation. the combos work well They don't. you just like to disagree Only when someone is wrong. and look how you phrased your original response that sounds like an insult to me. You're confusing yourself with your statements. I insulted your statement, not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonenhikada Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 ^ tokens never touch the graveyard there just blown up <.< oh your right,but the other combo still work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 ^ tokens never touch the graveyard there just blown up <.< oh your right' date='but the other combo still work.[/quote'] Except that it doesn't solve the main problem with the card, as I already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Its half good and half bad. It has weaknesses and some good in its position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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