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Honestly, the biggest issue with Evilswarm (and Constellar) is the consistency.

 

This is a powerful boss monster, but if you aren't running SSable Lv. 5+ monsters, it's just a beater that searches.

 

A lot of matchups will end up being OphionAndKeryBeat.dek. Not the current meta, mind you, just as a whole.

 

It's not balanced or well designed, but it really gets more hate than it deserves. I used to hate it, but then I realized that it's not as end all as people make it out to be, and that you CAN play around it.

 

Again, not defending the card, exactly, just saying that people hate on it far more than it actually warrants, imo.

 

Should go to 1 or 2, if/when it's hit.

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[quote name="Gangrel" post="6180563" timestamp="1365811184"]Honestly, the biggest issues with Evilswarm (and Constellar) are the consistency.   This is a powerful boss monster, but if you aren't running SSable Lv. 5+ monsters, it's just a beater that searches.   A lot of matchups will end up being OphionAndKeryBeat.dek. Not the current meta, mind you, just as a whole.   It's not balanced or well designed, but it really gets more hate than it deserves. I used to hate it, but then I realized that it's not as end all as people make it out to be, and that you CAN play around it.   Again, not defending the card, exactly, just saying that people hate on it far more than it actually warrants, imo.   Should go to 1 or 2, if/when it's hit.[/quote] I have to disagree with you there. For many decks, this is a royal pain in the ass to play around. You can't summon anything to knock it down by battle and if you try to pop it with an S/T or lance it, you can't because he searches a lance of his own. In my experiences, summoning Ophion literally means GG and your opponent doesn't get any chance to play. It's not the most pressing issue ATM, but I think that it degrades the overall enjoyment of the game.

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I have to disagree with you there.

 

For many decks, this is a royal pain in the ass to play around. You can't summon anything to knock it down by battle and if you try to pop it with an S/T or lance it, you can't because he searches a lance of his own.

 

In my experiences, summoning Ophion literally means GG and your opponent doesn't get any chance to play. It's not the most pressing issue ATM, but I think that it degrades the overall enjoyment of the game.

>Is the Fabled Guy on YCM

 

Thank you for telling me that Ophion can be a pain in the ass. Would you like to know that Judgment Day is broken?

 

There's this thing called baiting, and there's also a card called Temtempo. Again, not saying it's fair, not stupid, etc.

 

I've seen players lose after summoning Ophion. If summoning Ophion meant GG, Evilswarms would almost never lose anything, considering they can make Ophion from almost any hand.

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[quote name="Gangrel" post="6180573" timestamp="1365811842"]>Is the Fabled Guy on YCM   Thank you for telling me that Ophion can be a pain in the ass. Would you like to know that Judgment Day is broken?   There's this thing called baiting, and there's also a card called Temtempo. Again, not saying it's fair, not stupid, etc.   I've seen players lose after summoning Ophion. If summoning Ophion meant GG, Evilswarms would almost never lose anything, considering they can make Ophion from almost any hand.[/quote] 1. In an ideal game state, both would be hit. And for the record I did say that his existence was excusable due to Judgment derp day and EDragons being retarded. 2. Not all decks can make temtempo/rank 4s/etc., and they shouldn't be pressured to do so to play around one poorly designed card. Ophion pushes entire deck types out of the way, and I think that's unhealthy for the game. 3. I should have stated my point more clearly. What I meant to say was that summoning Ophion means GG against those deck types that he mutilates, which is a fairly broad range. Which it pretty much does.

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[quote name="Gangrel" post="6180577" timestamp="1365812663"]I'm not arguing that it's not bad for the game, 'm arguing that people BAWW over it too hard. Especially you. It's not so absolutely end-all as people make it out to be.[/quote] Then how is it not that end-all? The only arguments you've brought to the table are counter ability and that the other shit is worse.

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... I've said nothing about the other stuff in the format. YOU did. If you're gonna try and shoot my arguments down, how abut doing it right, not by putting your arguments in my mouth?

 

You say the decks it shuts down auto lose, tell me how. Do Merlanteans not have Heavy Infantry? Do Spellbooks not have Fate? Do Incarnates not have Blaster?

 

All of these counters are searchable. For the undermeta, there's the Toolboxable Temtempo, and other Xyz, not to mention things like Mist Bird Clausolas and other Level 4 Synchros. Hell, I've killed Ophion with Armory Arm multiple times. I used to play against Evilswarm almost daily, and had to learn to deal with it instead of just bitching that it's broken.

 

Once again, I am not defending its design or its impact. It can shut decks down if they don't get their answers to it, but that's why the Side Deck and you should take the card into account when building a deck that's totally shut down by it. It's not a total end all because you should be planning for it in the side deck if not the main. It's not healthy for the game, but it's not an end all. You're just displaying insane levels of butthurt.

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Temtempo is a subpar out seeing as it only puts itself on 2200 and you'll then need to summon a big level 5 or higher to back it up.

 

This thing is pretty broken but then again in a format of Prophecy and Dragons it's a necessary evil. 

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Temtempo is a subpar out seeing as it only puts itself on 2200 and you'll then need to summon a big level 5 or higher to back it up.

 

This thing is pretty broken but then again in a format of Prophecy and Dragons it's a necessary evil. 

 

temtempo is actually a great out because theyll likely have stripped one material grabbing pandemic or infection and ophion only applies that effect while it has materials (which is why evilswarm tend to side xyz reborn).

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just hit kerykion and rabbit tbh


tbh hitting ophion and x is a much better solution because it means you have to waste your kerk on an ophion if you actually do let it die. :u But Kerk + Oph would probably be optimal hits. Hitting Rabbit because of Evilswarm doesn't seem right.
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temtempo is actually a great out because theyll likely have stripped one material grabbing pandemic or infection and ophion only applies that effect while it has materials (which is why evilswarm tend to side xyz reborn).

You just used a Tour Guide or 2 Level 3 monsters to take out an Xyz Material. You still have to Summon something else to follow it up; seems like Pearl is a better out.

 

Ophion is far easier to play against than Laggia.

 

[quote&name=Gangrel]Do Merlanteans not have Heavy Infantry? Do Spellbooks not have Fate? Do Incarnates not have Blaster? [/quote]

 

Which unsearchable card, used in multiple in Verz, prevents those cards from being used?

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