Future Fusion

[Agro]

 

It's a -1, so it's totally balanced meaning it should go to 1.

[ihop]

It's not a -1, if your opponent doesn't stop it you get a Fusion and if they do they use a card.

 

0 forever.

[Thomas★Zero]

It's not a -1, if your opponent doesn't stop it you get a Fusion and if they do they use a card.
 
0 forever.

In certain decks (if considering the controlled mill from the deck a plus) it can be from around a +1 to a +4 depending on what you use it for (not counting the summoned monster as a plus since it does take a little time to summon it.)

Should stay at 0 or we will be abused like Crazy in Dragons and HERO's where they have Miracle fusion and Dragons mirror.

[ihop]

In certain decks (if considering the controlled mill from the deck a plus) it can be from around a +1 to a +4 depending on what you use it for (not counting the summoned monster as a plus since it does take a little time to summon it.)

Should stay at 0 or we will be abused like Crazy in Dragons and HERO's where they have Miracle fusion and Dragons mirror.

 

It's from some other thread, obv everyone knows it's a +lots really.

[Superdoopertrooper]

OP fails at card advantage. It's a +0 on activation, and when it resolves, it sends an amount of monsters from the deck to grave, some of which can directly generate +'s, and then 2 turns later it becomes a +1 (special summons a monster from the Extra deck). Terrible strawman is terrible.

[NeoRWBY65]

If this card wasn't banned, Elemental Dragons could use this and Dragon's Mirror to bring out Five-Headed Dragon and a Montage Dragon with 6300 ATK on their first turn, and have all of the elemental dragons in your grave except for Redox.

 

I don't want that. Stay banned.

[Miror B]

OP fails at card advantage. It's a +0 on activation, and when it resolves, it sends an amount of monsters from the deck to grave, some of which can directly generate +'s, and then 2 turns later it becomes a +1 (special summons a monster from the Extra deck). Terrible strawman is terrible.

Because a card ont he field doing nothing is actually advantage.

[Agro]

Yeah, I think I've pretty much just checked out at this point.

I would rather beat Sonic06 for the 3rd time than read most of the posts I've had to read today.

But yeah, card is broke as fuck

[Blake]

OP fails at card advantage. It's a +0 on activation, and when it resolves, it sends an amount of monsters from the deck to grave, some of which can directly generate +'s, and then 2 turns later it becomes a +1 (special summons a monster from the Extra deck). Terrible strawman is terrible.

The OP is sarcastic as hell ._.

[Suibon]

Something interesting about Future Fusion.

 

If you want a tl;dr -- guy's saying that Future Fusion is more worthy of retention than the Fusions it ends up with, but I'm bad with tl;dr-ing.

[Agro]

Something interesting about Future Fusion.

 

If you want a tl;dr -- guy's saying that Future Fusion is more worthy of retention than the Fusions it ends up with, but I'm bad with tl;dr-ing.

We've heard that argument a million times.

 

All of the monsters that are abused by Future Fusion are tame without it. Future Fusion may be nothing without the cards that it abuses, but that's still many different cards that it abuses. It doesn't make sense to hit 5 tame cards just because we want to leave 1 in the game.

[Sora1499]

[quote name="Suibon" post="6185946" timestamp="1366676457"][center][url=http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=17813764&postcount=1]Something interesting about Future Fusion[/url].[/center] [center] [/center] [center]If you want a tl;dr -- guy's saying that Future Fusion is more worthy of retention than the Fusions it ends up with, but I'm bad with tl;dr-ing.[/center][/quote] Tbh, I can't agree with that paragraph. FuFu is an omni-foolish that has proven itself to ignite multiple OTKs, a quasar loop, and an FTK. Granted, those were mostly on part of Brio bouncing the sucker, but I digress. I feel that FuFu is certainly to blame and can only get worse over time. Why not hit it now when we've recently gotten multiple god-tier dragon decks?

[Suibon]

But if those five different cards are going to be unused without Future Fusion, then what is actually gained? We lose both Future Fusion to the banlist and the Fusions to their unplayability outside Future Fusion -- and?

 

Of course this is not to say I actually subscribe to Atem's take on the matter as it pertains to Future Fusion -- Future Fusion is not Metamorphosis.

 

(Yes, I suck at tl;dr-ing -- of course Future Fusion ain't Metamorphosis, but why is that so?)

[Agro]

But if those five different cards are going to be unused without Future Fusion, then what is actually gained? We lose both Future Fusion to the banlist and the Fusions to their unplayability outside Future Fusion -- and?

 

Of course this is not to say I actually subscribe to Atem's take on the matter as it pertains to Future Fusion -- Future Fusion is not Metamorphosis.

 

(Yes, I suck at tl;dr-ing -- of course Future Fusion ain't Metamorphosis, but why is that so?)

FuFu is even more useless than than the monsters it abuses if it doesn't have those monsters.

 

At least FGD, Chimeratech, and EHERO Escuridao are semi-playable without it.

[Suibon]

FuFu is even more useless than than the monsters it abuses if it doesn't have those monsters.

 

At least FGD and Chimeratech are semi-playable without it.

 

There's still a few Fusions with loose Fusion-Material requirements that might want Future Fusion, like The Shining and its ilk. Granted, there are better options, but I'm giving you guys a glimpse of the non-problematic possibilities.

[Sora1499]

I don't see why mediocre fusions should necessarily see play if they're bad. It's like saying that the list of High-level gen 1 vanillas deserve to see play, or that the myriad pack fillers deserve to see play. If a card is bad, people shouldn't run it. It's that simple. Although, I seem to be entertaining an invalid point here. FuFu isn't broken in a meta-level context because it grabs fusions, it's broken for being a potentially reusable foolish on crack. While Brio and Trunade are gone, we still have Zephyros and we're getting Volcan soon, and neither of those deserve to be hit by any means. The amount of crap that FuFu enables (and we have seen the crap it can do), will only grow wider and more powerful as new fusions and new archetypes are released. It constricts card design on those fusions that otherwise would be perfectly fine. So, in conclusion, FuFu deserved its ban did having a bad influence on the game in theory and in practice.

[Suibon]

I don't see why mediocre fusions should necessarily see play if they're bad. It's like saying that the list of High-level gen 1 vanillas deserve to see play, or that the myriad pack fillers deserve to see play. If a card is bad, people shouldn't run it. It's that simple.

 

The problem is that FHD and Chimeratech Overdragon aren't merely bad Fusions because they have shitty Fusion-Materials or are high-Level vanillas made doubly hard to summon -- they're bad Fusions because their stats and effects combined are such that we must not allow them to be useful.

[Agro]

There's still a few Fusions with loose Fusion-Material requirements that might want Future Fusion, like The Shining and its ilk. Granted, there are better options, but I'm giving you guys a glimpse of the non-problematic possibilities.

Explain to me why Escuridao, a good, useful, and above all, balanced card who only has problems when abused by Future Fusion should be banned along with 5 other cards that aren't problematic just because you want to see Future Fusion off the list.

[Suibon]

I'm not saying Future Fusion interactions with The Shining/Absolute Zero/Escuridao/Great Tornado/two guys I forget are problematic -- in fact I said as much in the post you quoted.

[evilfusion]

I'm not saying Future Fusion interactions with The Shining/Absolute Zero/Escuridao/Great Tornado/two guys I forget are problematic -- in fact I said as much in the post you quoted.

 

I think the point implied by his question was saying that Future Fusion and the Omni-HEROs ARE problematic in tandem because it turns Future Fusion into a Foolish Burial for literally any card, enabling a lot of setup and abuse. Either the Omni-HEROs have to go, or Future Fusion does. They should not exist together.

[Legend Zero]

While I do think Atem is an intelligent guy, the linked post forgets to include how much FuFu restricts future design on Fusions and on fusion materials.

[Suibon]

While I do think Atem is an intelligent guy, the linked post forgets to include how much FuFu restricts future design on Fusions and on fusion materials.

 

This may be a shared concern with the design-minded on a site like this, but to the best of my knowledge Atem has scoffed off at the 'X restricts design Y and Z' argument, and besides, I think it's poor form to imply problematic design due to issues that are yet and might never arise.