Syncopation Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 These cards...THESE CARDS... * Piss easy summoning * Piss easy summoning * Game breaking stats * Game breaking stats * Banishes whoever he chooses * KILLS YOU WITHOUT DOING SHIT * Can attack TWICE * Fully capable of using both of his WONDERFUL effects in 1 turn * NOT FCKING BANNED Discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swag swag swag swag swag s Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 "Fully capable of using both of his WONDERFUL effects in 1 turn" Not really. And these cards are fucking stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 * Fully capable of using both of his WONDERFUL effects in 1 turnOh, really?Once per turn, you can activate 1 of these effects.I don't think so.But yes, BLS is the better contender.Though that honestly is not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The removal of priority did water down BLS a little. That still means its existence in the meta is ridiculous, but it's been unbanned for a while now and it's hard to see why it's been left out there. It's a lucksacky card that can easily swing games in one player's favor. Chaos Emperor, on the other hand...is utterly and unquestionably devastating to the game. The ability to not only eliminate all Field and hand resources for both players, but also burn based on the number of cards, and for a 3000 body and a mere 1000 LP, is just ridiculous. It's less consistent near the end of the game, whereas BLS usually will win right then, but it's still too good and too cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I wouldn't say that either have 'game-breaking stats'. These cards are pretty damn silly though. I think it's the summoning condition that makes them broken, more than anything else. If BLS was more restricted, it'd be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I don't think anybody here likes these cards. For one, they're only Semi-Nomi and easy to get out. My beloved Neo-Daedalus can nuke the field and hand like CED, but it's a Nomi with a difficult Summon requirement (compared to Chaos, anyway), a high cost, lower stats, AND it doesn't burn. In fact, it's so restricted that I just use normal Daedalus. BLS MIGHT have been better balanced if his ATK and DEF were swapped, but even then he'd be a nasty piece of work. I have no clue why BLS isn't banned yet, but CED is part of the reason why a banlist was established. Funny, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syncopation Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I wouldn't say that either have 'game-breaking stats'. These cards are pretty damn silly though. I think it's the summoning condition that makes them broken, more than anything else. If BLS was more restricted, it'd be okay. >"Fully capable of using both of his WONDERFUL effects in 1 turn" Not really. And these cards are fucking stupid. I don't think anybody here likes these cards. For one, they're only Semi-Nomi and easy to get out. My beloved Neo-Daedalus can nuke the field and hand like CED, but it's a Nomi with a difficult Summon requirement (compared to Chaos, anyway), a high cost, lower stats, AND it doesn't burn. In fact, it's so restricted that I just use normal Daedalus. BLS MIGHT have been better balanced if his ATK and DEF were swapped, but even then he'd be a nasty piece of work. I have no clue why BLS isn't banned yet, but CED is part of the reason why a banlist was established. Funny, huh? The reason I said "game breaking stats" because of it's ATK, Attribute, and Type. Which both of them have tons of support to make them more op'ed as they are due to it's stats. And I agree, if BLS had a summoning effect like Rainbow Dark Dragon, he would be less of a splitting headache. CED deserves no pitty. Actually, there was a common judge ruling that allow such a thing to occur. I don't know they still do it. The only people who like the 2 cards might be the two people that won the tournaments with them. And the CED creating the banlist thing dosen't surprise me. Sometimes, I think Konami made that abomination just to have a good exuse to create the ban list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 The stats don't mean much anymore. LIGHT is quite meaningless these days and DARK only really means something if it also has 2500 or more ATK. Decks get their power from being given the insta-meta treatment from Konami as we've seen through decks like Prophecy and Dragon Rulers, not through inconsistent 1-hit-wonder cards like BLS. BLS should stay. CED imo is quite overrated. The burn isn't usually that much. If it gets used on turn 1 or early game, it will only inflict around 2400-3000, and actually getting it off first turn certainly isn't even a likely feat. Later on, its effect either wont go off because your opponent is in a better position than you and can stop it from happening or you'll be in a better position in which case you wont really want to nuke unless it will cause game. Reducing both players to top decking isn't that big of a deal for many decks either. I wouldn't actually care if it came back, in fact it could be quite fun to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 CED imo is quite overrated .... Reducing both players to top decking isn't that big of a deal for many decks either. I wouldn't actually care if it came back. Why do you do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Why do you do this? It's Superdoopertrooper, what do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Trooper, I'd like to shake your hand for making such a bold declaration. I can see how you are such a role model to YCMers everywhere and would like to encourage your continued bravery. I respect you immensely for having the guts to say such a thing, and what you just said completely blew my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I don't think anybody here likes these cards. For one, they're only Semi-Nomi and easy to get out. My beloved Neo-Daedalus can nuke the field and hand like CED, but it's a Nomi with a difficult Summon requirement (compared to Chaos, anyway), a high cost, lower stats, AND it doesn't burn. In fact, it's so restricted that I just use normal Daedalus. BLS MIGHT have been better balanced if his ATK and DEF were swapped, but even then he'd be a nasty piece of work. I have no clue why BLS isn't banned yet, but CED is part of the reason why a banlist was established. Funny, huh? CORRECTION: CED IS Nomi, which sort of helps...except it doesn't say where it is summoned from (Deck? Hand? Graveyard?). Is it safe to assume that it only can be summoned from your hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 CORRECTION: CED IS Nomi, which sort of helps...except it doesn't say where it is summoned from (Deck? Hand? Graveyard?). Is it safe to assume that it only can be summoned from your hand? Correction: CED is Semi-Nomi, justy like BLS. I dread thinking about how much worse March 2012 could have been if CED was unbanned. Searchable by Wyvern and revivable by REDMD? Yeah no thanks. BLS isn't banned cause Konami needed to sell Gold Series 4 & LCYW. Why it's still unbanned is still beyond me. Maybe Konami is trying to reduce the amount of cards in the banned section? I don't know. Still my favorite card though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Correction: CED is Semi-Nomi, justy like BLS. I dread thinking about how much worse March 2011 could have been if CED was unbanned. Searchable by Wyvern and revivable by REDMD? Yeah no thanks. BLS isn't banned cause Konami needed to sell Gold Series 4 & LCYW. Why it's still unbanned is still beyond me. Maybe Konami is trying to reduce the amount of cards in the banned section? I don't know. Still my favorite card though lol. CED is Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...can only be Special Summoned by..." BLS is Semi-Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...must first be Special Summoned by..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 You know, I can't help but wondering why they couldn't make the dragon a little lot less broken. EOTB is crazy enough but EOTE is just.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 CED is Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...can only be Special Summoned by..."BLS is Semi-Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...must first be Special Summoned by..."To cite BLS' wording from the pack he came from:"This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard. "CED's a Semi-Nomi, just like BLS.idk why this is a topic when it's actually rather obvious that chaos emperor is better than bls, hence the entire reason why ced's been banned and bls is a debatable subject. CED is too strong now that it actually has cards that search it for no reason like Eclipse Wyvern that can singlehandedly wipe the board and do stupid stuff with Dark Creator. :v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 CED is Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...can only be Special Summoned by..." BLS is Semi-Nomi. "...cannot be Normal summoned or Set...must first be Special Summoned by..." CED is semi-nomi. "Can only be Special Summon" is pre PSCT for "must first be Special Summoned". CED hasn't had a reprint so he doesn't use PSCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 CED is semi-nomi. "Can only be Special Summon" is pre PSCT for "must first be Special Summoned". CED hasn't had a reprint so he doesn't use PSCT. OK, I understand now. On a side note, CED's holo artwork looks hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 To cite BLS' wording from the pack he came from: "This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard. " CED's a Semi-Nomi, just like BLS. Wait, isn't it the other way around? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would make BLS a Nomi, as it can't be Special Summoned through other methods afterwards. Just read above, I see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Wait, isn't it the other way around? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would make BLS a Nomi, as it can't be Special Summoned through other methods afterwards.No. The original wording of 'can be Special Summoned' meant that they could be Special Summoned freely after their conditions were met the first time and their Summon was a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Now that I think about it, EOTE can serve as a reminder that even the worst formats could have been MUCH worse than it was(not that EOTE is coming back nor I am trying to justify any other broken stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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