Sora1499 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 [quote name="Armadilloz" post="6230824" timestamp="1372634677"]Wait, shouldn't the topic name be 'Яed-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon'?Part of Atum's problem is Thunder Charger, though, right?[/quote] Without Thunder Charger, he still has potential to do degenerate bullshit, so I'd like to see it b&. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 atum is a very unfair card because pulling any combo piece you need from anywhere for the nominal fee of making it 0/0 and atum losing an attack is just an awful thing to do, regardless of any interactions with charger. charge is also slightly an issue because it can freely dodge many drawbacks to using a rank 5/6 by just plopping charger on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Without Thunder Charger, he still has potential to do degenerate bullshit, so I'd like to see it b&.Actually I was getting at the fact Thunder Charger swaps Atum's "Cant attack this turn" clause for a 2700 beater with piercing damage.But yea, Atum is still nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Yeah Dragon Rulers don't really need this, but they still ensured it will never come to higher than 1. If Dragon Rulers don't use this, why would they have any bearing on its position on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 If Dragon Rulers don't use this, why would they have any bearing on its position on the list? They don't use it at 1 because it's less consistent at 1 and they don't need it. If it were at 2 or 3, they'd most certainly be using it at its maximum amount. A more generic example of this happening was with Book of Moon: when it was at 2 or 3, everyone was using it at maximum amount, but when it went to 1, people mysteriously "couldn't find room for it anymore." On-Topic: I hate when they change cards in such a way that they wouldn't even work in at least most of the times they worked in the anime or manga (if seen there first). I especially hate when they take a non-broken card and make it broken. Should be at 0, no question, but Konami almost only bans badly designed cards if they impact the meta and they've run out of ways to reduce the consistency of the deck it's used by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 They don't use it at 1 because it's less consistent at 1 and they don't need it. If it were at 2 or 3, they'd most certainly be using it at its maximum amount. Eclipse Wyvern is almost literally a replica of REDMD in Dragon Rulers (better actually, since it can also search LADD if need be and is also a good Mini Dragon discard) and hence they can basically play 4 copies of it if they want, so it has nothing to do with consistency. You already said the correct answer in the first sentence: They don't need it. That's not to say it's bad in the deck or anything, it's not at all and has a number of good properties like reviving dragon tuners to help make important synchros, being an EEV target, makes OTK's easier and so on. Some topping builds do run it, and when they do, they usually run Eclipse and LADD alongside it. A more generic example of this happening was with Book of Moon: when it was at 2 or 3, everyone was using it at maximum amount, but when it went to 1, people mysteriously "couldn't find room for it anymore." Dragon Rulers and Prophecy still always run the 1 copy of Book they are allowed to, and most decks still played Book at 1 when they could, limiting it didn't change what the card did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I don't get why you wouldn't use 1 Book if you were using 3 before? Anyway Book is so amazing in Prophecy that you have to run as many copies as you can. But anyway this is broken for loads of reasons, there's the dumb OTK with Dragunities and IMO Atum isn't that broken and is only really broken because Gaia Charger takes anyway its conditions. This should have been banned in Chaos Dragon format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Oh god, I can see where this is going. QUICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Oh god, I can see where this is going. QUICK This time he's right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 This time he's right though. My point was that he is typically the one to start these meaningless discussions, and I just can't stand that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 My point was that he is typically the one to start these meaningless discussions, and I just can't stand that shit. Right, because pointing out that somebody is wrong on an issue about the card at hand (and other things) is "meaningless"... So your point is crap, all you proved was that you can make a semi-decent meme ruined by a backfiring context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Right, because pointing out that somebody is wrong on an issue about the card at hand (and other things) is "meaningless"... So your point is crap, all you proved was that you can make a semi-decent meme ruined by a backfiring context. It's mostly because of the fact that you pretty much disagree with everything ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.codex Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why havn't they gotten rid of this? It creates too many problems, and like other obviously badly designed cards, they are getting banned just because of that, so why not this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Wasn't the Red Eyes supposed to give the potential, while Blue Eyes the power? What the hell happened here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Atum aint hitworthy at all idgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Atum aint hitworthy at all idgi I'm guessing it is because Atum restricts card design. Konami, however, just doesn't care and likes to make broken dragons anyways so Atum's presence doesn't really restrict that. In an ideal card game and format, cards that restrict card design would be almost a godsend because it promotes good design by the developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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