ihop Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I side it at 1 in Gadgets because I love going for a Feral Imp and searching it against a Dracossack, but I'm not convinced about using it as a side if you can't search it because people rarely blindly leave a Dracossack with 2 tokens on the board and if they make it later they often sack a token straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It's bad because the moment it's good against Dracossack is the moment people stop leaving two tokens on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.codex Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It's bad because the moment it's good against Dracossack is the moment people stop leaving two tokens on the board. Trying to find logic in what you just said here, but it ain't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Trying to find logic in what you just said here, but it ain't happening. People leave Dracossack + 2 tokens on the board Vaskii gets sided agaisnt it. Vaskii becomes semi-common side. People stop leaving both tokens on the board for Vaskii to be good. It's bad because it's never going to be good as anything more than a rogue side that is then easily played around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.codex Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 People leave Dracossack + 2 tokens on the board Vaskii gets sided agaisnt it. Vaskii becomes semi-common side. People stop leaving both tokens on the board for Vaskii to be good. It's bad because it's never going to be good as anything more than a rogue side that is then easily played around. It still is a weak argument. You could say that about any card that somebody finds a way around, I mean, really, this is a damn good option for them, even if pretty situational. I wouldn't probably run it myself, there's better options to take care of it, but it does the job fine enough right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It still is a weak argument. You could say that about any card that somebody finds a way around, I mean, really, this is a damn good option for them, even if pretty situational. I wouldn't probably run it myself, there's better options to take care of it, but it does the job fine enough right now. It's not a weak argument at all, because that's how cards and reactions in the game work =/ Smart Dragon players don't leave 2 tokens on the board anymore because of the off chance that they'll get fucked up by a Vaskii. It's a bad option because if you're playing anyone intelligent, it's going to fail miserably. It's just going to dead draw and encourage your opponent to force it to dead draw, and will do nothing but hinder you in the long run. It's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 See, good cards are still good when people play around them because they still do something; They force your opponent to stop being proactive, in most cases.Vaskii forces your opponent to be proactive in one way, rather than another.Only a fucking idiot doesn't understand this logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It was cool for it's time, but it's just kinda meh now. It will dead draw too often, if you're thinking of using it againts Draco, it will be easy enough for them to just not leave 2 up. It's nice that it got a pop effect when on the field, though it probably will be dead before you can do too much about it. I would rather want to run Lava Golem if I had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 [quote name="Borderline Unplayable" post="6235349" timestamp="1373304301"]See, good cards are still good when people play around them because they still do something; They force your opponent to stop being proactive, in most cases.Vaskii forces your opponent to be proactive in one way, rather than another.Only a fucking idiot doesn't understand this logic.[/quote] Hey babe. :> OT: It's not an optimal side because it doesn't stop the deck from achieving its wincon: spam spam whilst gagging itself with plusses. Vaskii only stops the threat there and then. E-Drags don't give a fuck about one lost Dracossack and a 26 beater when they can just make another or even steal it with almost no effort. In addition, if you're searching this with King Feral Imp, your opponent will see it coming and therefore not leave 2 tokens on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.codex Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 As a side option, you are suppose to analyse what your opponent does with Draco when they play it first. Do they leave the Tokens up for more than a turn, or do they use them? Then, if you see that they use them a lot, you put it in, otherwise, you find options to counter Draco using them instead. It's called smart thinking. Also, it's anywhere from the field, so there's plenty of ways to get your own 0 ATK monsters on the field to get rid of it. I still think it's situational, and I would rather Skill Drain it instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 As a side option, you are suppose to analyse what your opponent does with Draco when they play it first. Do they leave the Tokens up for more than a turn, or do they use them? Then, if you see that they use them a lot, you put it in, otherwise, you find options to counter Draco using them instead. It's called smart thinking. I still think it's situational, and I would rather Skill Drain it instead. ... So basically, it;s good against bad players? I'd rather side more reliably than side a card that only wins matchups I should win anyways, bar sacking. If we follow your post, plus basic knowledge, Vaskii is winmoar in those cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Hey babe. :>Fuck off you inane cunt.As a side option, you are suppose to analyse what your opponent does with Draco when they play it first. Do they leave the Tokens up for more than a turn, or do they use them? Then, if you see that they use them a lot, you put it in, otherwise, you find options to counter Draco using them instead. It's called smart thinking. Also, it's anywhere from the field, so there's plenty of ways to get your own 0 ATK monsters on the field to get rid of it. I still think it's situational, and I would rather Skill Drain it instead.Sideboard plans should not be based on playing bad players, that's completely incoherent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 In addition, if you're searching this with King Feral Imp, your opponent will see it coming and therefore not leave 2 tokens on the field. Well obviously you wouldn't search it off Feral Imp before they have 2 tokens on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Well obviously you wouldn't search it off Feral Imp before they have 2 tokens on the field... Yeah, you're right, my brain shut off for a second, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 It's only decent in those cases where they have 3 on the field, though at that point, they have probably made another one already, so why even bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 First turn, you just make Dragossack and then tribute a token to target itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 If you use this without a way to search it, you could as well use Cyber Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 its also atrocious in that it ISNT a one-card side, since you need to give up an extra deck space for it. gadgets dont mind because they already run king feral imp but i get so mad when people say you need king feral imp in verz so you can side this. its a waste of an extra deck slot that can actually be used to help you win. especially considering verz as a rule have access to some powerful options capable of dealing with dracossack themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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