Monster Reborn

[Catterjune]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Reborn

Target 1 monster in either player's Graveyard; Special Summon it.

Was banned for a while. Came back. Might be considered bad for the meta by some, because it's very centralized. Even so, it isn't the worst thing out there. We should probably deal with it at some point, but right now there's bigger fish to fry IMO.

Discuss.

[Zazubat]

I always found it strange that they banned other cards like this, while this remained. Those arn't as unbalanced as this, so why is still the one we still are allowed to have? Konami logic I guess.

[Northern Sage]

Is the OP an oxymoron or am I just reading into it too much?

 

 

I always found it strange that they banned other cards like this, while this remained. Those arn't as unbalanced as this, so why is still the one we still are allowed to have? Konami logic I guess.

Premature has Hidden Armory going for it.

[Dementuo]

I have no idea why any standard deck (meaning something not countdown/exodia/chain burn) wouldn't run this.

[Zazubat]

Premature has Hidden Armory going for it.

True, but Hidden still got a pretty annoying condition, and Premature can be blown up if needed. And, would you really run Hidden and Premature if you could? Unless you're playing Equip heavy decks, I very much doubt it, but you can prove me wrong if you wnat to.

[Dementuo]

True, but Hidden still got a pretty annoying condition, and Premature can be blown up if needed. And, would you really run Hidden and Premature if you could? Unless you're playing Equip heavy decks, I very much doubt it, but you can prove me wrong if you wnat to.

Premature is bouncable.

[Althemia]

True, but Hidden still got a pretty annoying condition, and Premature can be blown up if needed. And, would you really run Hidden and Premature if you could? Unless you're playing Equip heavy decks, I very much doubt it, but you can prove me wrong if you wnat to.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dewloren,_Tiger_King_of_the_Ice_Barrier

The card's winmoar. In a slower format, I could see this going to 0 because of it's incredible tempo changer for nothing. Right now, nah.

[Zazubat]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dewloren,_Tiger_King_of_the_Ice_Barrier

The card's winmoar. In a slower format, I could see this going to 0 because of it's incredible tempo changer for nothing. Right now, nah.

And that would require you to run at least 1 WATER and 1 Tuner. My point still stands, I would rather want that card back, than this card staying.

[Dementuo]

And that would require you to run at least 1 WATER and 1 Tuner. My point still stands, I would rather want that card back, than this card staying.

There are a lot more ways of bouncing cards like Premature.

For example, Vulcan. Guess what can run that? Fire Fists. Guess what's a meta deck (leaving spellbooks and dragons aside)? Fire Fists.

[Althemia]

And that would require you to run at least 1 WATER and 1 Tuner. My point still stands, I would rather want that card back, than this card staying.

Your point has little to no grounds. I linked a card which has had loops for a very long amount of time, being able to drop 5 monsters on the board for no cost. The only downside to it was that you had to play Symbols of Heritage instead of this.

[byak]

I have no idea why any standard deck (meaning something not countdown/exodia/chain burn) wouldn't run this.

 

dragons and spellbooks ???

 

also gravekeepers

 

True, but Hidden still got a pretty annoying condition, and Premature can be blown up if needed. And, would you really run Hidden and Premature if you could? Unless you're playing Equip heavy decks, I very much doubt it, but you can prove me wrong if you wnat to.

 

"Would you really run 4 Monster Reborn at the cost of your normal summon if you could?"

[Sora1499]

Reborn is straightforward and honest about what it does with no bullshit. Premature Burial looks fair at first, but then you start putting cards that bounce things into the equation, and suddenly the innocent little Burial stabs you in the back. I'd much rather have a no-bullshit cost less revival card than an abusable one with a minuscule cost.

[Zazubat]

"Would you really run 4 Monster Reborn at the cost of your normal summon if you could?"

What is this suppose to mean exactly? How would you get 4 Monster Reborns?

[byak]

What is this suppose to mean exactly? How would you get 4 Monster Reborns?

Send the top card of your Deck to the Graveyard; add 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon/Set during the turn you activate this card.

[Sora1499]

[quote name="Jenny " post="6241265" timestamp="1374241314"]dragons and spellbooks ???"[/quote] You can still run Reborn in those decks, it's just that you don't have to cuz they're so busted already.

[quote name="Zazubat" post="6241269" timestamp="1374241618"]What is this suppose to mean exactly? How would you get 4 Monster Reborns?[/quote] http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Armory I don't care if I've been Ninja'd.

[byak]

You can still run Reborn in those decks, it's just that you don't have to cuz they're so busted already.

 

It's more like you have absolutely no space in them and there are cards that do the same thing but are better in those decks anyway

[Zazubat]

Send the top card of your Deck to the Graveyard; add 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon/Set during the turn you activate this card.

Oh, well that makes it a lot differnt then, I thought it was only from the Deck. Then yeah, it's pretty busted. As well as the thing Fire Fist can make, but again, it's more of an Investment. Some decks can abuse the fact that you can return, some cannot. I feel like that is enough to make it come back, and getting rid of other problem cards. Or making a new Monster Reborn.

[Althemia]

Oh, well that makes it a lot differnt then, I thought it was only from the Deck. Then yeah, it's pretty busted. As well as the thing Fire Fist can make, but again, it's more of an Investment. Some decks can abuse the fact that you can return, some cannot. I feel like that is enough to make it come back, and getting rid of other problem cards. Or making a new Monster Reborn.

I feel like Dark Strike Fighter can come back because some decks can abuse it, while other decks cannot.

I feel like Yata Garasu can come back because some decks can abuse it, while other decks cannot.

Do you see how absolutely awful that argument is?

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

GDI! PLEASE JUST GO AWAY!

 

Should be banned. Forever. Like the TC. It has a right to be banned on its own, like I said in the Magician of Faith Thread, and there are slower, more applicable substitutes. 

[Zazubat]

I feel like Dark Strike Fighter can come back because some decks can abuse it, while other decks cannot.

I feel like Yata Garasu can come back because some decks can abuse it, while other decks cannot.

Do you see how absolutely awful that argument is?

And decks cannot abuse Monster Reborn either?

[Sora1499]

Zazu, please just stop this. :( You're only hurting yourself.

[Althemia]

And decks cannot abuse Monster Reborn either?

No-one said anything about Monster Reborn. We're talking about your amazing logic as to why you believe Premature Burial is good because it won't be abused by some decks, albeit a lot of other decks /will/. aka any deck that can play Vulcan

[Zazubat]

No-one said anything about Monster Reborn. We're talking about your amazing logic as to why you believe Premature Burial is good because it won't be abused by some decks, albeit a lot of other decks /will/. aka any deck that can play Vulcan

In no way do I find Burial balanced, but it is more balanced than Monster Reborn will ever be. It got a litle bit of a cost, while it doesn't matter that much, if you're 800 and below, you cannot topdeck this card. It requires the target to stay in the Graveyard. It's an equip, meaning if the monter leaves, it goes away to (so no trying to Synchro with the card you just revived). It can be destroyed pretty easily, making your monster you just revived die, and as said before, if the monster leaves, so does this card. It does have that Spell that adds it from the Graveyard again, which is still something I dislike, but that messes up your Normal Summon, so unless your deck can run without it, and make that Synchro without it, it's not as easy to abuse. Monster Reborn and Burial should both be and stay banned for many reasons, and so should any other card that can be abused. Some are worse than others, some can be abused more than others, some are just plain bad design.

[Althemia]

In no way do I find Burial balanced, but it is more balanced than Monster Reborn will ever be.

It's like arguing with 3D, my god. You know what? Continue thinking that. I genuinely don't have the mental capacity to read more incorrect points

[Zazubat]

It's like arguing with 3D, my god. You know what? Continue thinking that. I genuinely don't have the mental capacity to read more incorrect points

So, you're avoiding my points without even consider reading them and calling them incorrect? That is just stupid. If you're not even gonna consider reading my points, then don't bother replying to me.