...well this place sure died

[a bad post]

Okay let me just preface by asking - what the f*ck is wrong with a small member base!?

Honestly I'd take most of the members here over a forum full spammers and 12 year olds, but if you guys really want the member base to increase( I'm being a hypocrite by saying this, but whatever) stop acting like total a**hats when new members post crappy cards in RC. Help them get better instead of flaming the hell out of their cards and then maybe they'll stick around. 

Yeah maybe some of them will be calm enough to stick it out, but a good majority of people will just leave. I mean who wants to go on to a site just to be constant abused and berated. Really all your doing is setting yourselves up for another Zazudex.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Not gonna comment on the rest, but this is shitty logic.

Rag was a detriment to the site entirely. His posts had NO quality, and I would rather have lower quantity then lower the quality of YCM by promoting the existence someone like RAG.

Almost ALL of his posts were absolutely HORRID. He almost ruined a generation of card makers with his posts.

He flooded the CC section with worthless posts that only had value to unsuspecting newbies.

I know well who he was, and I know even better the extent to which people hated him. I remember Organization XIII, which was by far the most active club on YCM, and thrived on hatred of ragnarok1945. Though it's no longer up, I remember Organization XIII's personal forum at driftingevanescence.ipbfree.com. I remember its YCM section, with a subsection that existed to flame unwitting YCMers behind their backs. I remember over half the posts in said section being dedicated solely to ragnarok1945, quite literally hundreds of posts bleeding and agonizing in chorus over "ragnafag"'s supposed crimes against intelligence and another hundred more for coordinating schemes to have him banned. I remember Larxene. I remember ZenQued. I remember Draco Straybyrn, who tried to have ragnarok1945 tracked down as a terrorist. I remember how fucking petty they would all be, as if all the evils in the world paled in comparison to "ragnafag" and how much of an inconvenience his flooding was.

I never told you or anyone else to like ragnarok1945, what I will tell you is that when I list his ban among those that stifled activity here it's not "shitty logic", it's common sense. And I hope he's unbanned and comes back, just so you and every other snob who shares your opinion can work yourselves into a frenzy to help liven this place up. Yankee's right, it is dramatically more inactive than it was. Ragnarok1945 did more for the activity of YCM than any member in history, including everyone I listed with him. For each post of the ~40000 he made, no matter HOW pointless it was, he'd get responses, and he'd instantaneously respond to every response he got.

Hate on him all you want, but I guarantee he's too badass, too important, and too accustomed to your kind of whinging to give a fuck.

['tyleR]

Let's not forget Cyber Altair.

 

I miss Cyber Altair.

[Cin]

I regret ever inviting Rag to YCM.

I'd rather a small, but loyal and sensible fanbase than loads of members who just spam, etc. You'll find activity goes in cycles sometimes it can be really dead, something happens then there's loads of posting.

As H.N.Elly said, certain sections need to improve the quality of their response to improve the likelihood of a member staying,

[Kazooie]

I know well who he was, and I know even better the extent to which people hated him. I remember Organization XIII, which was by far the most active club on YCM, and thrived on hatred of ragnarok1945. Though it's no longer up, I remember Organization XIII's personal forum at driftingevanescence.ipbfree.com. I remember its YCM section, with a subsection that existed to flame unwitting YCMers behind their backs. I remember over half the posts in said section being dedicated solely to ragnarok1945, quite literally hundreds of posts bleeding and agonizing in chorus over "ragnafag"'s supposed crimes against intelligence and another hundred more for coordinating schemes to have him banned. I remember Larxene. I remember ZenQued. I remember Draco Straybyrn, who tried to have ragnarok1945 tracked down as a terrorist. I remember how fucking petty they would all be, as if all the evils in the world paled in comparison to "ragnafag" and how much of an inconvenience his flooding was.

I never told you or anyone else to like ragnarok1945, what I will tell you is that when I list his ban among those that stifled activity here it's not "shitty logic", it's common sense. And I hope he's unbanned and comes back, just so you and every other snob who shares your opinion can work yourselves into a frenzy to help liven this place up. Yankee's right, it is dramatically more inactive than it was. Ragnarok1945 did more for the activity of YCM than any member in history, including everyone I listed with him. For each post of the ~40000 he made, no matter HOW pointless it was, he'd get responses, and he'd instantaneously respond to every response he got.

Hate on him all you want, but I guarantee he's too badass, too important, and too accustomed to your kind of whinging to give a fuck.

 

First, age doesn't make one right. It doesn't matter what you remember. If doesn't matter how long you've been on YCM. Those events, those people, didn't get Rag banned, did they? I had nothing to do with any of those people. I don't care if Rag was labeled a terrorist. I doubt he was a terrorist and it sounds like the people who tried to label him as one were a bunch of assholes and I'm sorry they did that to him. That doesn't make him a good presence for the site.

 

I'll kindly ask you to not call me a snob for not liking one member who brought waves of poor activity to the site. Waves of frenzy as you put it is NOT a good thing. Waves of piss poor advice is NOT a good thing. I don't care how much activity a site gets when the sites quality is lowered because of it. If I'M a snob, then you're a prima donna. Honestly, Rag is better off banned because he SHOULDN'T be a target of hate like you're proposing to make him.

 

Honestly, if we had a competent mod in CC when Rag was around, he wouldn't have lasted. He would have been another 1 Star member who never got past the beginning flooding stages. When I got to a level where I paid attention to the shit that went on around YCM, I honestly wondered why Rag wasn't banned. I didn't know any of those people. All I had to go on were Rag's posts. Which were just poor. They were rarely right, and usually just a rewrite of what was ON the card in the first place along with bad advice that either BROKE the card or just made it useless. In the section that's practically the face of the site, we don't need bad activity like that.

 

YCM may be more inactive then it used to be, but it's not near as dreadful in attitude as it used to be among the general userbase. A smaller group of loyal posters isn't bad like people tend to think it is. YCM doesn't need to be on the level of something like Pojo, a huge waste of activity that lacks quality in most of it. A smaller and less active, but loyal group of people who post with quality, is worth more than any amount of activity that lacks quality.

[Legend Zero]

iirc one of the funniest moments happened with rag. Mod team finally manages to make him understand how him flooding CC with his comments is wrong, and that he shouldn't do it. He then goes and does it in C/O because "they have different rules".

I remember dying when I saw that.

I also think we unbanned Crab Helmet a week after getting banned. Crab just didn't want to come back, or doesn't/didn't know.

[NoshpalStefan]

Perhaps this is not completely my thread to speak in, but before this account, in the before times aka 3 years ago, I had a different account and was a rather prolific member with about 1500 posts or something.

 

I then left and came back after a year or something of inactivity. But, the reason why I left was simple: this place was becoming bland. It got boring very quickly. All topics were either nooby / spammy or you could find a decent thread with 1 or 2 replies before it died.

 

Once again, perhaps this is not mine to speak of, but this site needs a revamp, it needs to keep up a bit - mostly because, and this is rightful for members to do nowadays, people are even switching to YuGiCo than to this site.

 

True, we do't need noobs or spammers, but we need a better appeal and better attitude to new members for them to stick along, rather than a big percentage of the members being elitist dirtbags that don't help one bit.

 

Then again, seeing as how YCMaker is barely active as well, I can't say that my conviction will be justified any time soon. But, what I'm saying is that we should try.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

All I have to say is this. I started posting years ago. Then my computer died and I didn't come back for a long time. So I didn't get to see the change happen, but it shocked me when I realized it. There is no denying that there are a lot less topics at least here, where I spent a lot of my time.

I can't say why, because I wasn't here. But, I can say that it led to me not posting nearly as much.

[Grunt Issun]

I agree on the point that a small loyal community is better than a large frenzied one. At least here, most active members know or know of most other active members. At the very least, in their respective posting grounds.

Rag was absolutely horrible, and just because he generated activity doesn't mean it was GOOD activity that the site WANTED.

I don't have any idea who OMGAKITTY is, but Crab and J-Max both did things worth banning them for, so they got banned. It's their own faults.

[Dark]

I miss Dark.

Today is my five-year anniversary of joining this place. As a completely unbiased veteran member, I can assure all of the newer members in this thread that the forum was more entertaining previously.

 

I can't comment on whether or not the forum was "better;" what I find better might not coincide with what you find better. But it is a commonly-held and fairly-factually-based opinion that two, even three years ago, the forum was more entertaining. The people who posted had more intelligence and wit (I agree with the claim that banning members such as OMGAKITTY, Crab, Corporal, etc. was a hit to the forum), there was more drama (like Princess Kitty and his/her relentless idiocy in the Relationships Thread), and there was overall more contempt for this place - which, at the end of the day, resulted in interesting posts. Now there is nothing but apathy for this place - and that's the inherent problem.

I can't comment on Custom Cards because I haven't visited that place in ages, but at least for General and C&O, I remember taking a distinct interest in the threads that were posted. As time went on my interested waned (both because I had less time to lurk but also because less threads were even worth posting in). You can get interesting threads for me (Mathematics thread, Trayvon Martin thread), but at the end of the day if the people posting in those threads aren't smart enough, witty enough, or even dumb enough, why post? At least two years ago I could post in a thread and either get someone really smart to argue with or really dumb to troll. I can't do that anymore - no one can.

I agree with the claim that threads from weeks ago stay on the front page. No one wants to post in a thread where the next reply won't come for half an hour, especially when it's during peak hours (for me, 6-9 pm EST). Before, I could go to the second page and even sometimes the third page before finding a thread that didn't have a reply for a fair twenty-four hours. So I had more options for threads, meaning even if 80, 90% of them were complete shitstorms of apathy, at least I could find one or two which interested me. Now, even looking at the General page at this very moment, there are zero threads (except this one, of course) which I find worth my time.

What's wrong with a small member base? Because then you get no influx of new people who are willing to post, and you get no people who are either really intelligent or really stupid. And you need both of those to work General. There needs to be drama, there needs to be some spice, there needs to be threads that people actually give a damn about. There's no passion in this place anymore - I used to take pride in discussing politics, religion, trolling new (or even veteran) members, but I can't do any of that anymore. There are no people with whom I can discuss those topics, and there is no drama which I can stir up. The opportunities have been lost, and they aren't coming back. There are, right now, 76 members of YCM browsing the forums right now. Two years ago, to see a number that low, you'd have to log on at 4 am.

You get a few people to leave - Clair, Larxene (I don't know if she left or was banned, I also don't really care); you get a few people banned - Corporal, maybe even Brushfire (?). Then other people leave because their closest friend has left, and then more people leave... the active posters aren't people who post interesting things anymore. The active posters are people who provide no entertainment value for the rest of the users. I didn't spend my time writing this post because I was entertained and because I think I'll get an intelligent member to debate me about this. I spent my time writing this because I want you guys to wake the hell up and realize that, yes, General is dying. Stop claiming that it's not, stop claiming that a small member base is totally fine, and stop claiming that threads like these don't help. Because if this thread didn't exist, you wouldn't have gotten my post. And I hope you fucking learned something from this post.

 

Good day.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Eh, people come and people go. Honestly, that's just life. I don't see YCM dying for a long while because it has a strong enough community that's dedicated to coming here on a frequent basis. 

 

I've seen this topic a few times over the course of my four years here; when I think back to the last couple times I saw it, the forum had a bunch of the same people, but also a lot of different members than those who are active now. When I think of the active community as a whole right now, it's radically different than to the ones I've known over the years.

 

The site's just perpetually changing. I wouldn't be surprised if we have a whole new set of active members that have integrated into the daily life here one year from now.

 

EDIT: Dark has given me some food for thought though.

While I still don't consider the forum to be dying, I do think it could use some...I dunno, spice to it.

If YCM's a filet mignon, then we need to add some peppers and onions to better the flavor.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Atlas was unbanned, he's just been inactive is all. He was my best friend on here and is totally awesome. Brushfire isn't banned either, he was well-connected with mods. That's how Atlas was unbanned.

First, age doesn't make one right. It doesn't matter what you remember. If doesn't matter how long you've been on YCM. Those events, those people, didn't get Rag banned, did they?.

Phantom Roxas was Org XIII and once he became moderator was constantly badgered to ban rag. I don't have a record of which mods did what, but I'd be shocked if he wasn't behind a temp ban or two or even a perma that would later be revoked. Icyblue was on "Drift" as it was called and while for the most part he was level-headed about it, he was behind the final perma.

I'll kindly ask you to not call me a snob for not liking one member who brought waves of poor activity to the site.

Why should I be convinced that your appeal would be of a kind spirit when so much of what you've said so blatantly isn't? Kindness has nothing to do with it, spare me the rhetoric. Nor does your not liking ragnarok have anything to do with it. You're free to dislike ragnarok all you want, but you give me free reign as soon as you attack my credibility with a diatribe of a member I respected who can't defend himself.

I don't care how much activity a site gets when the sites quality is lowered because of it. If I'M a snob, then you're a prima donna.Honestly, Rag is better off banned because he SHOULDN'T be a target of hate like you're proposing to make him.

You're blaming the victim. He doesn't need to be "protected" with a permaban because he was perfectly capable of rising above all the petty hate directed at him, especially since he had many advocates in spite of and as a result of all the haters. He came second in a popularity contest here because there were no negative votes and because he was a center of attention. He had friends here. If he found the reception too hostile here for him, he'd have left of his own volition. He should've been free to decide.

The rest of your post exaggerates his faults. If you aten't satisfied by the quality of his posts, why not just ignore them and get on with your life? Why make it your personal mission to maintain a high standard of posting quality on YCM when it isn't even particularly high in the first place? What do you do about people whose quality of speech isn't good enough for you in real life where they can't simply be banned?

I shudder to think.

[Dark]

Oh, look, I posted a few topics in General. Now practice writing interesting things!

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

lol

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You know what YCM needs?

 

Rodrigo.

[Kyng's Old Account]

You know what YCM needs?
 
Rodrigo.

No. YCM does not need Rodrigo. YCM technically needs nothing, however it could use a new member who is as dedicated as Rodrigo was.

Firstly, this is because Rodrigo has moved on from YCM. Even if he was never banned it is still incredibly likely he'd begin to stray anyway.

Secondly, making a comparison, the reason why the Pokemon Anime is staying alive is because there is a target audience for it that is always replenishing itself. Old fans can be all but forgotten, they're aiming to appeal to the newbies. YCM needs new members.

The issue is that new members are scared away by old members having a bad attitude towards them. Think about it like this: if a baby soiled itself, would you shout and roar at it, calling it names and outright abusing it? Or would you teach it to do it in the potty?

[Legend Zero]

You know what YCM needs?
 
Rodrigo.

lol

[Muay Thai Fire]

Beginning to question if it was worth me joining.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

Beginning to question if it was worth me joining.

Don't worry. If you can play the game, then feel free to post in TCG. Because, really, that's all this site is good for anymore.

[Kyng's Old Account]

Don't worry. If you can play the game, then feel free to post in TCG. Because, really, that's all this site is good for anymore.

The Creative Commons section is regarded in a brighter light for an obvious reason.

[A.Prime]

I'm the member Koro-Sensei told you about in the 2nd post... I was most active in AOC. Now I try to be anywere, just to be active.
I was active in AOC in the "Golden Age of YCM". Those days, AOC used to be a place with random cards, but, they weren't joke card or spams. There was a section for joke cards those days. All I knew about YCM are gone now. In my opinion, and I want the mods to read this carefully, I belive it's time to open a new section with random cards, cuz POP section is about TV shows and movies related cards, and after that all the OLD members on YCM try to help and show the new members how to do their cards. There are also needed tutorials about HOW to be used the tools of the forums for new members. Try to be flexible with the rules and the bans, so the members can stay unbanned and give them the chance to learn some things.

Personaly, I'm a guy who likes card making, GFX, some Games etc. As for all of you, and me, try to remember, how the YCM used to be. A place with a lots of life (and I speak of new theads and posts, NOT users and Guests on the stats) and try to remebers how fun it was for YOU to create your own cards as new members and inprove your skills.

In nowdays, I can see: New theads, lots of them without ANY replies. It's NO wondering the new members are living from here!! They are posting their card for NOBODY!!!

And if you think that has to do only with the card making sections YOU ARE WRONG! The members joining those forums to post their card, but in extection, they are joining clubs, playing games etc. ALL OF US is the reason those forums slowly are dying.

Think about it.

[Kyng's Old Account]

In nowdays, I can see: New theads, lots of them without ANY replies. It's NO wondering the new members are living from here!! They are posting their card for NOBODY!!!

You should be making your cards for yourself and your own enjoyment. You should not need feedback on your cards. That way it is nice, but not something to leave a forum for.

I can understand that the absence of comments may be discouraging, but that is because of pessimistic mindsets who view a lack of comments as bad.

[A.Prime]

You should be making your cards for yourself and your own enjoyment. You should not need feedback on your cards. That way it is nice, but not something to leave a forum for.

I can understand that the absence of comments may be discouraging, but that is because of pessimistic mindsets who view a lack of comments as bad.

You are missing the point... the people needs reviews and comments in order to continue coming here, improve.. They need their work to be acknowledged! Its natural! All of us need to be acknowledged at some point. Don't you?

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

I miss Dark.

Today is my five-year anniversary of joining this place. As a completely unbiased veteran member, I can assure all of the newer members in this thread that the forum was more entertaining previously.

 

I can't comment on whether or not the forum was "better;" what I find better might not coincide with what you find better. But it is a commonly-held and fairly-factually-based opinion that two, even three years ago, the forum was more entertaining. The people who posted had more intelligence and wit (I agree with the claim that banning members such as OMGAKITTY, Crab, Corporal, etc. was a hit to the forum), there was more drama (like Princess Kitty and his/her relentless idiocy in the Relationships Thread), and there was overall more contempt for this place - which, at the end of the day, resulted in interesting posts. Now there is nothing but apathy for this place - and that's the inherent problem.

I can't comment on Custom Cards because I haven't visited that place in ages, but at least for General and C&O, I remember taking a distinct interest in the threads that were posted. As time went on my interested waned (both because I had less time to lurk but also because less threads were even worth posting in). You can get interesting threads for me (Mathematics thread, Trayvon Martin thread), but at the end of the day if the people posting in those threads aren't smart enough, witty enough, or even dumb enough, why post? At least two years ago I could post in a thread and either get someone really smart to argue with or really dumb to troll. I can't do that anymore - no one can.

I agree with the claim that threads from weeks ago stay on the front page. No one wants to post in a thread where the next reply won't come for half an hour, especially when it's during peak hours (for me, 6-9 pm EST). Before, I could go to the second page and even sometimes the third page before finding a thread that didn't have a reply for a fair twenty-four hours. So I had more options for threads, meaning even if 80, 90% of them were complete shitstorms of apathy, at least I could find one or two which interested me. Now, even looking at the General page at this very moment, there are zero threads (except this one, of course) which I find worth my time.

What's wrong with a small member base? Because then you get no influx of new people who are willing to post, and you get no people who are either really intelligent or really stupid. And you need both of those to work General. There needs to be drama, there needs to be some spice, there needs to be threads that people actually give a damn about. There's no passion in this place anymore - I used to take pride in discussing politics, religion, trolling new (or even veteran) members, but I can't do any of that anymore. There are no people with whom I can discuss those topics, and there is no drama which I can stir up. The opportunities have been lost, and they aren't coming back. There are, right now, 76 members of YCM browsing the forums right now. Two years ago, to see a number that low, you'd have to log on at 4 am.

You get a few people to leave - Clair, Larxene (I don't know if she left or was banned, I also don't really care); you get a few people banned - Corporal, maybe even Brushfire (?). Then other people leave because their closest friend has left, and then more people leave... the active posters aren't people who post interesting things anymore. The active posters are people who provide no entertainment value for the rest of the users. I didn't spend my time writing this post because I was entertained and because I think I'll get an intelligent member to debate me about this. I spent my time writing this because I want you guys to wake the hell up and realize that, yes, General is dying. Stop claiming that it's not, stop claiming that a small member base is totally fine, and stop claiming that threads like these don't help. Because if this thread didn't exist, you wouldn't have gotten my post. And I hope you fucking learned something from this post.

 

Good day.

HE'S ALIVE

 

THE OLD BASTARD IS STILL ALIVE AND POSTING WALLS OF TEXT FOR ME TO SKIM THROUGH

[Kyng's Old Account]

You are missing the point... the people needs reviews and comments in order to continue coming here, improve.. They need their work to be acknowledged! Its natural! All of us need to be acknowledged at some point. Don't you?

Not really. My sense of acknowledgement comes from my own self-evaluation.

 

I suppose, though, if you are aiming to improve then feedback is ideal. However, if you're making a card just cause, I don't see why you should freak out over it getting nothing.