Northern Sage Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Target 1 "Number 10X" monster in your Graveyard, on your side of the field, or in your Extra Deck (X is any number from 1 to 7); if that target is in your Graveyard or Extra Deck, Special Summon it, ignoring the Summoning conditions. Its effects are negated. Then, you can Special Summon from your Extra Deck, 1 "C" Xyz Monster that is 1 Rank higher than that monster you control, by using it as the Xyz Material. (This Special Summon is treated as an Xyz Summon. Xyz Materials attached to that target also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.) It's an Over-Hundred specific Limited Barian's Force with a revival effect and direct Special Summon from the Extra Deck. I understand the idea, but was this level of plot device really needed? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 It's mediocre like this. It's a Miracle Xyz, yes, but it doesn't do its job well enough when it's only 101-107 and only their CNos. Yes, it's a 1-card C104 or C106, but 106 is mediocre and if 104 died you probably already lost/are about to lose and C104 probably won't help, anyways, as you make 104 to push in most cases. 101, 102, and 103 have no confirmed Chaos Forms so their usage is unclear, 107 has nothing about it revealed effect-wise, and C105's only good as a Limited RUM target because it's base form isn't worth the space in most things. C106 being mandatory hurts it a lot, and C104's really fluxing winmoar. Granted, it's optional to use it as more than a Monster Reborn, but Xyz Reborn does Reborn better by being generic, baiting MST, and giving a mat, albeit slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 It's mediocre like this.While I understand your reasoning, and aside from the fact it's usefulness depends heavily on what it can potentially Summon, how so? Your still Summoning a boss monster out of thin air for only really having 2 spots in your Extra Deck as it's ONLY means of set-up/dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 It's mediocre like this. It's a Miracle Xyz, yes, but it doesn't do its job well enough when it's only 101-107 and only their CNos. Yes, it's a 1-card C104 or C106, but 106 is mediocre and if 104 died you probably already lost/are about to lose and C104 probably won't help, anyways, as you make 104 to push in most cases. 101, 102, and 103 have no confirmed Chaos Forms so their usage is unclear, 107 has nothing about it revealed effect-wise, and C105's only good as a Limited RUM target because it's base form isn't worth the space in most things. C106 being mandatory hurts it a lot, and C104's really fluxing winmoar. Granted, it's optional to use it as more than a Monster Reborn, but Xyz Reborn does Reborn better by being generic, baiting MST, and giving a mat, albeit slower. Based on what you're saying here, I take it you didn't notice that you can use the base form in the Extra Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Based on what you're saying here, I take it you didn't notice that you can use the base form in the Extra Deck. Yeah... I was basically reading it and wondering "wait what how?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Because you're running suboptimal cards in the first place in order to use it. 101 is amazing, but it's anime-only effect atm, and we don't know the Chaos Form either. 102 is shit. Anything it can do, other cards can do better. If it's halve/negate was quick, sure, but it isn't so it's shit. And we don't know it's chaos form. 103 we know next to nothing about. Yes, 104 is good, and I suppose C104's a good target for this, but that's it. 1 set of cards that's only going to be live in the late game with very, very little versatility. 105's the definition of absolute mediocrity, and C105's only decent if you're ranking up a generic R4 into a 2800 with extra burn, so it swings at an average of 4000~ if put on Paladynamo or something. 106 is overvalued as flux, C106 being mandatory is a pain in the ass. 107's decent, but we don't know it's Chaos Form and running this just for a Rank 8 seem bad. It lacks versatility, and most of its targets aren't even worth the effort of making original, much less devoting deck space to the Chaos Forms. Based on what you're saying here, I take it you didn't notice that you can use the base form in the Extra Deck. This I very much did miss. But when this is released, and given that the apparent usage the Barians are going for is Revival, it probably won't be revived with the ability to get shit from the Extra, and only be Field/Grave. Field/Grave doesn't seem enough to Salvage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 The fact that it makes its own material for the summon is what makes it bonkers. Giant Red Hand, Umbral Horror and Star Cestus are insane if you get them right off the bat like this. Either this card would remain anime only, receive a slight nerf so that it couldn't Special Summon from the Extra Deck, or we will never see irl support for irl Rank-Up-Magic cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 This I very much did miss. But when this is released, and given that the apparent usage the Barians are going for is Revival, it probably won't be revived with the ability to get shit from the Extra, and only be Field/Grave. Field/Grave doesn't seem enough to Salvage it.I'm pretty sure Mizael didn't even summon Tachyon Dragon yet, so he'll possibly actually use the SS from Extra Deck effect to get out Neo Tachyon. (Because honestly I don't see Anna and Whatshisface destroying Tachyon Dragon when neither Yuma nor Kaito could do it.) Possibly some of the others too, since the only ones confirmed to have summoned their Numbers this episode were Nasch and Merag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 No chance this will keep the Extra Deck part in the OCG, and then it basically becomes too limited in scope to be worth it. ACF seems more promising because it's less likely to be nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 No chance this will keep the Extra Deck part in the OCG, and then it basically becomes too limited in scope to be worth it. ACF seems more promising because it's less likely to be nerfed. Why WOULD ACF need a nerf in the first place? It is actually balanced and nerfing that would kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Why WOULD ACF need a nerf in the first place? It is actually balanced and nerfing that would kill it. It doesn't, but everyone seems convinced it will be. Unlike this one, which (along with Astral Force) has been consigned to it before a release is even revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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