Toffee. Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Destroy this card during your 3rd Standby Phase after activation. Once per turn, if "Cyber Dragon" is on the field: You can banish 1 LIGHT Machine-Type monster from your Deck. When this card on the field is sent to the Graveyard: Special Summon as many of your banished LIGHT Machine-Type monsters as possible and destroy all Spell/Trap Cards you control. Those monsters cannot activate their effects. You cannot conduct your Battle Phase the turn you activate this effect.[spoiler=THEORY TIME WITH ARM AND ZERO!]Paperworks: The wiki implies Nova has Fortress' gates. But the way they are mounted, they aren't really gates anymore.Paperworks: ...Why is Cyber Dragon Nova's artwork just so absolutely fantastic?ZeroChill: Because it is a mess of parts from different CyDras.ZeroChill: and we all know that all the CyDras that aren't in development look amazing.Paperworks: But it tells a story at the same time, from the premise of Repair's artworkPaperworks: Which in turn, is carried over from CoreZeroChill: Then the CyDra forms a network to become Nova.ZeroChill: and when destroyed, sheds away and becomes a Fusion.Paperworks: But Networks isn't exactly related to Repair. I mean, for the most part, it's just obscure blueprints.ZeroChill: It's related to the continuing story of the CyDras however.Paperworks: No, I said network isn't exactly related to Repair. Not the Dragons, Repair.ZeroChill: I understand what you said.ZeroChill: Core is CyDra's coreZeroChill: and when damaged, needs to be repaired.Paperworks: Or here's a thought..Paperworks: Given the concept behind Repair, Cyber Dragon and all it's other relatives, don't actually exist. It's just evolutions of Core, based on experimental procedures.ZeroChill: and they seem to live in a CyberspacePaperworks: Hell, Fortress might be the only other monster that actually livesZeroChill: Fortress is implied to be an advanced evolution of CyDraPaperworks: Since with regards to Fortress, Fortress might as well be some kind of mobile base to which Cores can be stored in.ZeroChill: by corrupting itself and all the machines around it.ZeroChill: That's actually not a bad guessZeroChill: Though, the change from a LIGHT to a DARK attribute might imply something more sinister.Paperworks: Nonono, you got it all wrongPaperworks: Overdragon and Fortress are only DARK for 2 possible reasons.Paperworks: Reason 1, is that Overdragon is more of a monstrous mash-up then Nova, due to the potential of having multiple Cores.Paperworks: Reason 2, is that Fortress is likely a seperate being all together.Paperworks: Reason 2 could exist, because- WAIT. I JUST GOT IT.Paperworks: CORE IS LIGER ZEROPaperworks: 10/10 LOGICZeroChill: While all those sound logicalZeroChill: Why is Fortress capable of stealing your opponent's monsters for its Summon?Paperworks: http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Liger_Zero_VariantsPaperworks: Cyber Dragons^ZeroChill: Oh right.Paperworks: For Fortress....ZeroChill: I almost forgot that the Liger Zero can combine with other zoids.Paperworks: For Fortress, here's a thought-Paperworks: What if, in addition to being a mobile base, it's also a waste management unit?Paperworks: Said parts get recycled into new Cyber DragonsPaperworks: But Nova is still an oddity.ZeroChill: A Recycling Factory in addition to a Fortress seems logicalPaperworks: It CLEARLY has Cyberdark parts. Yet, Cybers and Cyberdarks are different all together.Paperworks: Although, the fact it can revive other Cyber Dragons might have been what said parts gave it, as an influence.Paperworks: Since, you know, Cyberdarks are Graveyard-ish, so naturally, having components from them would lead to Nova having gained some of their abilitiesZeroChill: Well, my theory for Nova is that it is overlayed within the Cyber Network when something that isn't beaten by other CyDras facesZeroChill: and since Cyberdarks and CyDras are relatedZeroChill: then Cyberdark coding is within the NetworkPaperworks: What if, just for gits and shiggles, we said Network is powered by Barian energy?ZeroChill: But Cyberdarks are unable to enter it.ZeroChill: I could believe thatPaperworks: Wait, no, that wouldn't make any sense.ZeroChill: But CyDras were around for much longer than the Barians were.ZeroChill: or maybePaperworks: Ok wait, this hit me; Did you notice how Drei is yellow and Zwei is green?ZeroChill: YeahPaperworks: And how Nova is exploding with energy, while also being red?Paperworks: And an exposed Core is also red?ZeroChill: So Nova is Core?Paperworks: Cyber Dragon coating keeps Core from going nuclear.Paperworks: Which could explain why, in Nova/Repair's artwork, Core has that glass ball around it.Paperworks: They DELIBERATELY let the energy from the Core run wild, which is why Nova can spontaniously gain more ATK out of nowhereZeroChill: That's a good theoryPaperworks: Because it's core, literally, is going supernova, within the machine itself.Paperworks: Hence why Nova is red, because it's energy levels have gone criticalZeroChill: So Nova is a CyDra that has gone into Overlimit?ZeroChill: Because Core is nuclear?Paperworks: Proto is orange because it gives the indication that it's energy is unstable, because its between red-critical and yellow-warningPaperworks: Drew is Yellow, I guess, because it has to give off it's energy somehowPaperworks: So, lets say, just for concept, Drei powers up other dragons, ergo, why they become 5ZeroChill: alrightPaperworks: Now the question remains....Paperworks: What to make of the original?Paperworks: Also Nova gains armor from Cyber Dragon's alternate art, not Cyberdarks.Paperworks: But the Cyberdark theory still seems legit.ZeroChill: I still like to say that Nova is when the Network goes criticalPaperworks: Cuz how else can you explain that it can resurrect the dead, then use it's allies to power itself?ZeroChill: and all the CyDra data surges into itZeroChill: creating NovaZeroChill: With all of the CyDra data within itZeroChill: it can revive other CyDras as well as explode from an unstable connection.Paperworks: But if Dragon just gets more data, it won't cause it to spontaneously become Nova. Nova is the result of trying to rebuild a Cyber Dragon.ZeroChill: Which Network builds a key part in doing.Paperworks: Hence why I said network is just blueprintsZeroChill: Let's say that because of Network, Cyber Dragon diverged its data into separate entities.ZeroChill: It looks more like an actual network rather than blueprints.ZeroChill: But when Cyber Dragon tried to gain back its dataZeroChill: all of its seperate data have already evolved into their own entities as Cyber DragonZeroChill: which caused him to evolve beyond what his capabilities would allow him to.ZeroChill: And for the sake of this, Proto-Cyber Dragon is the prototype that evolved into Cyber Dragon through the Network.Paperworks: What if Dragon is Android 13? Hmmm?ZeroChill: That can explain several stuffZeroChill: like how Cyber Dragon can go into Fortress or Overload.Paperworks: But Fortress is its own thingZeroChill: but requires CyDra and the use of other machines that are taken forcefully through its effect.Paperworks: But then why are parts n' junk being unloaded from Fortress? Hmm?ZeroChill: Probably to make more Cyber Dragons.Paperworks: Fortress is a combination base/waste management center.Paperworks: See, here's the main issue with Fortress, that I just noticedPaperworks: Actually, nevermind. The scale matches up perfectlyPaperworks: I went to check Fortress' artwork to see if things were out of proportion; NotPaperworks: So anyway...Paperworks: Nova is an oddity, as far as all this speculating goesPaperworks: Also, what if Network is more of a family tree?Paperworks: OOH, WAITPaperworks: It's an /Evo-Branch/ZeroChill: Networks are communicationsZeroChill: and its art shows a Cyber SpaceZeroChill: Now, if we inject Mega Man X logic into Cyber Network...Paperworks: No, Network is some kind of screen from a computer.Paperworks: It shows different variants of Cyber Dragon models, with regards to how it progressed down different pathsPaperworks: Which is why Proto and Core are only briefly seen, because you don't know their true end resultsPaperworks: But that doesn't really make sense, because it depicts End going into Fortress.Paperworks: WAIT, I GOT ITPaperworks: I KNOW WHY IT DOESPaperworks: Its because it's based on a set pattern of overwhelming power, for that branchPaperworks: Drei can make Nova, with some assistance. End is just flat-out OTK. Fortress can become a massive beater while also removing the Opponent's monsters, it OTKs and clears problems at the same timePaperworks: Its because its a system. Not so much a realm of cyberspaceZeroChill: So how does Cyber Eltain fit into all of this?Paperworks: Im more concerned with the fact that Twin is on the other side of the branches, when its clearly a descendant of End.ZeroChill: Well... I can prove that End and Twin are on the same generation.ZeroChill: You see, Twin can't be made into End and so forthZeroChill: they both require a number of CyDras to makeZeroChill: They also happen to have different effects rather than similar ones.ZeroChill: If End and Twin were truly on the same branchZeroChill: then they should have similar effects and be treated as CyDra monsters themselves.Paperworks: Why is network's artwork so damn confusing, once we decided to analyze it?Paperworks: We have, basically, all the others figured out from a few points. Network? Nope.ZeroChill: and considering that Network is important to the other cardsZeroChill: and we are confused by itZeroChill: then it renders those points useless until we can properly analyze NetworkPaperworks: From our obscure theory-o headcanon-based ideas, how can we fit Network into this?ZeroChill: Well...ZeroChill: Network is probably just a method of divergence and fusionPaperworks: Network isn't cyberspace we know that. It's some kind of diagram, but for [X]. And we don't know what that is.So I felt like posting a topic, with this chat-log in it.[/spoiler]That aside... This card is absurd, mostly for what it's easily capable of doing.Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's a really powerful card, but it's slow. It's also hilariously easy to bait with MST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's also hilariously easy to bait with MST.Which is it's most prominent feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Which is it's most prominent feature. I misspoke. I meant it's hilariously easy to bait people into using it for MST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I misspoke.I actually knew what you meant.I mean, if they Typhoon this, Typhoon's effect might as well say "The Opponent Special Summons a LIGHT Machine from His/her Deck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 No. I'm saying that it's easy for YOU to outplay it by making them use it (See: attacking, removal effects, etc.) and then just ruinign their day by MSTing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I agree with all of the above. Such a great bait card. I like that it activates in the grave sooooo much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Not bad at all, but a bit too slow for Cyber Dragon's OTK-happy playstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's a really powerful card, but it's slow. Which is why I'm okay with its existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Finally a reason to actually keep Cyber Dragon on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Its pretty good, but not overly good in its own deck. Its cool that it can search out multiple LIGHT Machine-Types. I can see its use in Battleships/VWXYZ more with added Cyber Dragons and Cyber Repair Plants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Finally a reason to actually keep Cyber Dragon on the field? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Wells that disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 OK. This is not an "X, and if you do, Y" effect. This is an "X and Y" effect. Unless I'm mistaken, it has to destroy at least one other Spell or Trap to Summon anything. So this does nothing with Overdragon. Am I correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 OK. This is not an "X, and if you do, Y" effect. This is an "X and Y" effect. Unless I'm mistaken, it has to destroy at least one other Spell or Trap to Summon anything. So this does nothing with Overdragon. Am I correct? The current way the text is written, yes. However, I have a feeling that the translation isn't entirely accurate to how the TCG would write it, and the card doesn't have any rulings yet that say that it must be able to destroy a minimum of 1 S/T to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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