Dog King Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 A soon to be side deck staple. discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Why would this be a staple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Stops the Artifact Engine, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 It shuts down Bujins, Constellars and Artifacts hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Why would this be a staple? because it stops one of the future best decks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 We don't know how widespread those are going to be yet. Calling them future best deck is pure conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I like that you can search it off of Gigant X in Cybers and other Machine decks. And it's a Tuner in case you don't use it (Cyber makes 8s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 one of. Artifacts are played and topped quite a lot in OCG (behind Rulers and Chronos, the latter which also utilized the artifact engine), so it's quite safe to say that yeah, they'll be a really relevant deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 It shuts down Bujins, Constellars and Artifacts hard. Constellars? Not so much. Because, it only shuts down Sombre and 1 copy of their Salvage. They don't need them to go off, they are for later plays if the preliminaries fail. DNA Surgery rapes Bujins better. Artifacts, well, you got me there. But still we don't know what their influence in the TCG will be yet. The Artfifact deck themselves might be mediocre at best because TCG exclusives. But the engine will still be amazing, and this doesn't really shut down the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 We don't know how widespread those are going to be yet. Calling them future best deck is pure conjecture. They already topped in the OCG in a Dragon Ruler meta. That's some cause for concern right there. The engine is splashable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 We don't know how widespread those are going to be yet. Calling them future best deck is pure conjecture.Unless we take a look at tournament results, which show that Artifacts are topping a lot because of how ridiculously powerful they are. No, this'll be a staple in the side for the most part along with stuff like Breakthrough being more feasible over Fiendish in the main because of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 one of. Artifacts are played and topped quite a lot in OCG (behind Rulers and Chronos, the latter which also utilized the artifact engine), so it's quite safe to say that yeah, they'll be a really relevant deck. OCG is also a completely different format. 3 Compuls 3 Bottomless 1 Solemn 1 Warning 3 Mirror Force 3 Gorz 2 Honest So, saying how well they'll do here when the format is completely different is mere drabble. EDIT: Biggest Factors, they still have Monster reborn and Heavy Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Constellars? Not so much. Because, it only shuts down Sombre and 1 copy of their Salvage. They don't need them to go off, they are for later plays if the preliminaries fail. DNA Surgery rapes Bujins better. Artifacts, well, you got me there. But still we don't know what their influence in the TCG will be yet. The Artfifact deck themselves might be mediocre at best because TCG exclusives. But the engine will still be amazing, and this doesn't really shut down the engine. I only pointed out the other two because it has more uses than just against Artifacts. Also Constellarfacts are a real thing and they rely on Sombre and Artifacts. DA is obviously the best side to Bujins; that doesn't make this horrible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 OCG is also a completely different format.3 Compuls3 Bottomless1 Solemn1 Warning3 Mirror Force3 Gorz2 Honest So, saying how well they'll do here when the format is completely different is mere drabble.So what you're ideally saying is that this deck might not be meta in the TCG because of the fact that it's doing well in the OCG despite them having infinitely more ways to deal with Artifacts than we do or..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 main point is they have Heavy Storm, we don't. They could be doing well over there, because the japanese might be Heavy Storming too often, or the archetype is too new, so people are trying to find/test counters for them. Mainly, think of it like a fighting game. a new character is released and tops a tournament. Most likely, that character won because people don't know how to deal with him/her yet. it could also be skill, but lack of match-up data is extremely valuable in these types of scenarios, and with an archetype being new, the match up data is still being determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 OCG is also a completely different format. 3 Compuls 3 Bottomless 1 Solemn 1 Warning 3 Mirror Force 3 Gorz 2 Honest So, saying how well they'll do here when the format is completely different is mere drabble. EDIT: Biggest Factors, they still have Monster reborn and Heavy Storm ok maybe you should read the artifacts first before thinking that those kind of differences will matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 So what you're ideally saying is that this deck might not be meta in the TCG because of the fact that it's doing well in the OCG despite them having infinitely more ways to deal with Artifacts than we do or..? He's saying that because it's a different format, you can make the judgement that results from that format have no sway on what may happen in the other, because the environment is different. It's a valid-ish point in theory, lessened in practice. OT: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 e'sH saying that because it's a different format, you can make the judgement that results from that format have no sway on what may happen in the other, because the environment is different. It's a valid-ish point in theory, lessened in practice. OT: Pretty much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Pretty much this. Or maybe you do realize that people have been testing the deck under tcg list and clearly can see that it will be one of the top decks after the current decks will get hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 >Assuming they get hit and not buffed. You never know with Konami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 >Assuming they get hit and not buffed. You never know with Konami. ok they are going to put atlantean dragoons to 3, how am i this stupid not to realize this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I didnt say that. I'm just saying there is no guarentee Mermails or Fire Fists will be receiving a nerf or a buff. Just that both are equally likely given Konami's track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I didnt say that. I'm just saying there is no guarentee Mermails or Fire Fists will be receiving a nerf or a buff. Just that both are equally likely given Konami's track record. Maybe you shouldn't be so gung-ho to dismiss these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 It doesn't sound like a bad idea but I'd rather LIM. In non-LIGHT decks, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 It doesn't sound like a bad idea but I'd rather LIM. In non-LIGHT decks, of course.The problem with this is that the deck in question this is sided against (Being Artifacts) has access to the most S/T removal you've ever seen, so stuff like this is almost guaranteed to be out of the picture. The others obviously have LIM as their go-to choice, but they were brought up to say that this isn't that bad in other match-ups as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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