Dog King Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 or pretty much any deck that runs unknown synchron + dragon rulers or any other lv7's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I fail to see how, because "normal" jsut means optimized decks despite not being tier. Normal means we don't run good cards or at least a few staples come on really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hmm yeah, its not op for competetive play... Buts its immortal for basic play when you don't have any of those cards stated earlier on. Also, its quite easy to summon in some decks like archfiend, maybe dark world? I dunno if they run tuners? Or pretty much anything that can run Void Ogre Dragon... Its not op for competitive, but for normal gameplay its broken. The thing is though, nobody cares about "basic play" and nobody cares about your idiotic justifications. If good players find it easy to play round a card, just because bad players don't then doesn't mean the card is broken. Gtfo please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The thing is though, nobody cares about "basic play" and nobody cares about your idiotic justifications. If good players find it easy to play round a card, just because bad players don't then doesn't mean the card is broken. Gtfo please. Today I learned that if you don't play in the competitive scene for any reason, you suck at the game. Please stop the elitist bullshit right here, okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Today I learned that if you don't play in the competitive scene for any reason, you suck at the game. Please stop the elitist bullshit right here, okay? Ugh I used to say this crap too It is not OP just because a minority of players don't like it. It's annoying, get over it. Konami does things with the majority of people in mind, not people playing casual or whatever. You don't suck at the game necessarily we just don't want to hear you betch about cards that don't do crap when you could just be playing a better deck. I'm not saying dur hur tier one bullcrap but even good bad decks at least need the decency to run a few staples or removal cards. And don't say elitist it just makes you look petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Today I learned that if you don't play in the competitive scene for any reason, you suck at the game. Please stop the elitist bullshit right here, okay? The banlist isn't created to regulate the game for people who play casual Yugioh at home or on DN or whatever, it's created to balance out tournaments where people actually pay money to play the game and don't much appreciate paying money to go to an event in order to get beaten by some cheap deck. He's not saying at all that you suck if you don't play competitive, but he's saying the banlist is applied for competitive play and is based largely off YCS tops etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Its not op for competitive, but for normal gameplay its broken. Everyone knows that you cannot run the outs for Beelze in normal / basic gameplay. Nope only Sakuretsu Armors and Negate Attacks for normal gameplay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeebYGO Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Everyone knows that you cannot run the outs for Beelze in normal / basic gameplay. Nope only Sakuretsu Armors and Negate Attacks for normal gameplay! Implying Negate Attack doesnt stop Beelze. Seriously though, the game is already harsh enough to new players, and the tcg is dying.. this is a really bad decision (both this card and the banlist imo) Does Dimensional Prison and Bottomloss work against Beelze? They banish instead of destroy, i believe that worked on some other card Also your avatar is 2spooky4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Does Dimensional Prison and Bottomloss work against Beelze? They banish instead of destroy, i believe that worked on some other card Dimensional Prison banishes only, so it takes care of Beelze. BTH only banishes if it successfully destroys, so Beelze isn't stopped. People seem to forget Dimension Slice exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Implying Negate Attack doesnt stop Beelze. Seriously though, the game is already harsh enough to new players, and the tcg is dying.. this is a really bad decision (both this card and the banlist imo) Does Dimensional Prison and Bottomloss work against Beelze? They banish instead of destroy, i believe that worked on some other card Also your avatar is 2spooky4me you already have warning possibly compul possibly bth fiendish/breakthrough possibly veiler into tt\bth/mirror a lot of effect monsters 101, constellar guy, big eye, whoever else to get rid of this stop complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 you already have warning possibly compul possibly bth fiendish/breakthrough possibly veiler into tt\bth/mirror a lot of effect monsters 101, constellar guy, big eye, whoever else to get rid of this stop complaining Might as well add Black Horn of Heaven to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Karma Cut? Or heck, Memory of an Adversary? And seriously. This is not Beelze's discussion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Don't usually have any trouble against Beelze unless I'm top decking, and by that point you're probably screwed regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOYTBTCG Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I was really upset to see Morphing jar go. I had used him in a deck out with spell books+solemn wishes and got 33,000+ Life points with the combo. I'm not sure if that's why he was banned or not but once i found out i had to use needle worm in the deck out and take out solemn wishes. When he was banned i was like this..... :mad: Thanks, LOYTBTCG Also, you should ban "Beelze of the diabolic dragons." I have him in Gold secret rare from Premium gold but he is too OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_engineer Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Also, you should ban "Beelze of the diabolic dragons." I have him in Gold secret rare from Premium gold but he is too OP. As stated above, there are a lot of ways to counter beelze: just think at all the removal effects that don't destroy or summon negater (Warning/Black Horn of Heaven/Compulsory/Prison/Dark End Dragon/ecc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 This may just be due to me no longer being active and just running experimental decks but I can see why most of this got hit but what I don't understand is why Stratos is still banned. Sure it's MST and a built in hero searcher but hey, at least it only gets one unless you use Ocean. Anyway, I'm surprised Plaguespreader and Mezuki got put back at 3. I actually started crying at the thought Konami might be stupid enough to unban Card of Safe Return. As for OCG, it has its likable traits. I for one like that Cyber Stein is limited. Not because I use fusions but the fact the life point payment turns it into a high risk bad enough that your opponent simply setting 2x Magic Cylinder is enough to laugh at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 This may just be due to me no longer being active and just running experimental decks but I can see why most of this got hit but what I don't understand is why Stratos is still banned. Sure it's MST and a built in hero searcher but hey, at least it only gets one unless you use Ocean. Anyway, I'm surprised Plaguespreader and Mezuki got put back at 3. I actually started crying at the thought Konami might be stupid enough to unban Card of Safe Return. As for OCG, it has its likable traits. I for one like that Cyber Stein is limited. Not because I use fusions but the fact the life point payment turns it into a high risk bad enough that your opponent simply setting 2x Magic Cylinder is enough to laugh at it. Not really. 3 card combo makes Cyber Stein, an easily searchable monster, an OTK machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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