Aix Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 During either player's turn: You can discard 1 card; Special Summon this card from your hand. When this card is Special Summoned this way: You can target 1 monster on the field; change its battle position and/or negate its effects until the End Phase. Kinda lame and unoriginal. I'm going to stop now because I can't think of good cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoire Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I am shocked. But this card is like a better Effect Veiler in the terms of how it changes battle position, negates effects, and gives you a Level 4 Tuner. The only thing Effect Veiler has over this card is not being able to be Breakthrough Skilled, Fiendish Chained, etc. and not having its Special Summon negated. But it's really useful and splashable, in my opinion, because you can use it to Xyz into a generic Rank 4 and give other decks options for Level 8 Synchros. I'd say make it so that you can only use its effect once per turn, but because of its weak status, it's unlikely to survive, which, I believe, is more than enough to balance it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yay, another flavor of Veiler! Basically a ridiculously more versatile Veiler that can act as a pseudo Rainbow Kuriboh. Also a chump-blocker, being level 4 WIND warrior opens up access to things like Plover and Excal, being a tuner makes this even more versatile, you can summon this during your opponent's End Phase to have a free summon basically, etc. Once again, too damn versatile, and while it's not a chaos fodder, is overall a better Veiler in many decks. At least the effect can miss timing, and Vanity and pals cockblock this. But yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yay, another flavor of Veiler! Basically a ridiculously more versatile Veiler that can act as a pseudo Rainbow Kuriboh. Also a chump-blocker, being level 4 WIND warrior opens up access to things like Plover and Excal, being a tuner makes this even more versatile, you can summon this during your opponent's End Phase to have a free summon basically, etc. Once again, too damn versatile, and while it's not a chaos fodder, is overall a better Veiler in many decks. At least the effect can miss timing, and Vanity and pals cockblock this. But yeah. Also can't be chained to effects to negate them. Anyway changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I wa shock. I can't think of a situation where one would pick only one of the two options (especially if it's just the position change), as opposed to having both at once. That "and/or" bit in the effect really pushes its flexibility beyond what most cards offer. Would suggest swapping the effect negation for something else less powerful that would see about as much use as a position change at Quick speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterr259 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 10/10, 10/10 Best card, Best card This would be Lord High-Lord of the Staples. Seems kinda balanced. It's just the "and/or" that leaves me on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I wa shock. I can't think of a situation where one would pick only one of the two options (especially if it's just the position change), as opposed to having both at once. That "and/or" bit in the effect really pushes its flexibility beyond what most cards offer. Would suggest swapping the effect negation for something else less powerful that would see about as much use as a position change at Quick speed. It's a - 1 though, and the effect negation can't be chained to an activating effect to negate it as the negation happens in a Chain after the summon resolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's a - 1 though, and the effect negation can't be chained to an activating effect to negate it as the negation happens in a Chain after the summon resolves. You do have a point. I've been a little too used to MtG's stack where cards and abilities can be added on between cards resolving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excalibur the Divine Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Good card, I like it. Just one thing: It's level Is a bit high, maybe 1-3 are better, because those stats are LOW. Or you can just raise atk to 1200 - 1600 and keep the level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Good card, I like it. Just one thing: It's level Is a bit high, maybe 1-3 are better, because those stats are LOW. Or you can just raise atk to 1200 - 1600 and keep the levelITT: Stats and Level ratio is absolute. Okay. No, because it would lose a lot of its splashability if I made it some other Level and stats are a balancing factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 To be honest, I really don't think this card is as good as people are making it out to be.Initial thoughts that came across was the fact that this is a lot more costly than anything else in it's category. When we think of cards such as Effect Veiler and Breakthrough Skill, as well as cards like Swift Scarecrow and Battle Fader, we think of cheap 1 card investments that activate their effect and are simply done with it. However, this card is technically a 2 card investment as it has to have itself AND another card. This immediately puts it behind the other cards in its category. Then there's also the fact that it cannot respond to the card it wants to negate directly, meaning that it will never be able to negate anything that's incredibly relevant outside of Artifacts maybe.It's just generally kind of weak for what it's attempting to achieve and I'd rather play any other card in its category over it because it's not as versatile as it actually appears to be on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanonyx Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I love the artwork, it's beautiful and kick-ass. I admit the effect is kind of on par or slightly above effect veiler but in my book, it's forgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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