Sleepy Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 This card has been under the shadow of Quasar for a while, and for good reason, being able to attack twice without much of a problem, and bring out Shooting Star with no previous setup required, plus the much more versatile amount of cards it can counter. Though I just had a random thought. This card can actually send the Pendulum Summoned monsters to the Graveyard when it negates said inherent Summon, while Quasar will have to put up with negating just a Scale being activated or a collateral effect of a Tributed Apoqliphoth, rather than their current signature play. Soooo any chance of siding? I'm really making this thread without any solid proof that this can negate multiple inherent Summons made at the same time, mainly because such a thing didn't even exist before Pendulums... so yeah. NOTE: I'm not saying this will take Quasar's place by any means. Thoughts?http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/T.G._Halberd_Cannon 1 Tuner Synchro Monster + 2 or more non-Tuner Synchro MonstersThis card cannot be Special Summoned except by Synchro Summon. Once per turn, while this card is face-up on the field, you can negatethe Summon of a monster and destroy it. When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, you can select 1 "T.G." monster in your Graveyard, and Special Summon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 This card has been under the shadow of Quasar for a while, and for good reason, being able to attack twice without much of a problem, and bring out Shooting Star with no previous setup required, plus the much more versatile amount of cards it can counter. Though I just had a random thought. This card can actually send the Pendulum Summoned monsters to the Graveyard when it negates said inherent Summon, while Quasar will have to put up with negating just a Scale being activated or a collateral effect of a Tributed Apoqliphoth, rather than their current signature play. Soooo any chance of siding? No, because if your opponent even gets a turn after you've summoned Quasar, you're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 No, because if your opponent even gets a turn after you've summoned Quasar, you're doing it wrong. I'd agree with that a few formats back, but I don't know how often it might happen statistically... I've seen people survive to it or bait it pretty well plenty of times, personally. I wouldn't consistently be able to do so, but just saying. It is not the "OMG God!!!" it was at the end of 5Ds, even if still is pretty powerful and OTK oriented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Oh the days of DMG.... 'Course, on DMG, you have anime cards and what-not, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Oh the days of DMG.... 'Course, on DMG, you have anime cards and what-not, but still. As in.. Duel Monsters Genesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 You do this card can't stop Pendulum Summons involving 2+ monsters due to the wording of negating the Summon of a [i]single[/i] monster, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 You do this card can't stop Pendulum Summons involving 2+ monsters due to the wording of negating the Summon of a single monster, right? WHERE IN THE WORDING DOES IT SAY /EXACTLY 1 MONSTER/?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 WHERE IN THE WORDING DOES IT SAY /EXACTLY 1 MONSTER/?!?! Wouldn't that be implied when it said 'a monster' without the (s)? Then, I looked back at Rai-Oh and he said 'Special Summon of 1 of your opponent's monsters' and I can see why this card was never reprinted and I should have done my research ahead of time. Addendum: Rai-Oh's third errata stated 'when your opponent would Special Summon a monster:' You know what? TCG sucks at errata'ing their cards. Just one card needed to go through five erratas just to make it clear on what it could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wouldn't that be implied when it said 'a monster' without the (s)? Then, I looked back at Rai-Oh and he said 'Special Summon of 1 of your opponent's monsters' and I can see why this card was never reprinted and I should have done my research ahead of time. Addendum: Rai-Oh's third errata stated 'when your opponent would Special Summon a monster:' You know what? TCG sucks at errata'ing their cards. Just one card needed to go through five erratas just to make it clear on what it could do. Solemn Warning says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wouldn't that be implied when it said 'a monster' without the (s)? Then, I looked back at Rai-Oh and he said 'Special Summon of 1 of your opponent's monsters' and I can see why this card was never reprinted and I should have done my research ahead of time. Addendum: Rai-Oh's third errata stated 'when your opponent would Special Summon a monster:' You know what? TCG sucks at errata'ing their cards. Just one card needed to go through five erratas just to make it clear on what it could do. Yeah TCG's way of giving erratas is not always consistent, even after their Problem-Solving Card Text became a thing, their effort has been to stay on barely sufficient. I remember evilfusion talking at one time about how the PSCT Necrovalley errata was actually not as precise compared to the Structured Deck Marik errata. According to wikia's erratas of Thunder King Rai-oh, the original (GX manga) said "1" in number form so there was no mistaking it. Gold Series left it virtually untouched, just pure re-print to make it more accessible. It was until the GX legendary collection and Ra mega pack that the TCG seemed to have decided inherent Special Summons being specified like that was useless, looking at how only effects ever mass-summoned (and who would have predicted that inherent Summon would get a mass-Summon mechanic? heh). This was obviously TCG and OCG Konami acting independently OR Pendulums not quite being thought out at that point in time. The Turbo Pack reprinted it with "a" again. It was until Premium Gold decided to update it and state "exactly 1". Probably they wanna give it some hope of getting off the list by powercreep eventually, after enough mass Summon mechanics in the game become mainstream enough to lessen its impact. At least, that's my theory... As for Halberd Cannon. I'm not really sure. It was released with "a" when the original Thunder King clearly had "1", so it has a chance to get interesting. Then again, we go back to Konami's TCG not being completely reliable in these cases until they outright state what they want the cards to do officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Halberd will ALWAYS be in Quasar's shadow, because the two cards saw release relatively close to one another, and have identical stats and Summoning Conditions. Quasar is a win condition. Simply bringing it out almost assures you the win, seeing as it can negate almost anything for free, attack 2+ times a turn with 4000 ATK, and even if they get rid of it, you bring out Shooting Star Dragon, which has a respectable 3300, can costlessly negate destruction effects once a turn. Halberd's Summon negation is nice, but when it dies, you only can bring back a TG (which is probably Librarian). It just pales in the face of Quasar so much, and considering the investment of Summoning it, it's just too badly outclassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Solemn Warning says hi. Or we could use that reference... *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wouldn't that be implied when it said 'a monster' without the (s)? Then, I looked back at Rai-Oh and he said 'Special Summon of 1 of your opponent's monsters' and I can see why this card was never reprinted and I should have done my research ahead of time. Addendum: Rai-Oh's third errata stated 'when your opponent would Special Summon a monster:' You know what? TCG sucks at errata'ing their cards. Just one card needed to go through five erratas just to make it clear on what it could do. Because nobody knows the difference between a Special Summon, and a Special Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Halberd will ALWAYS be in Quasar's shadow, because the two cards saw release relatively close to one another, and have identical stats and Summoning Conditions. Quasar is a win condition. Simply bringing it out almost assures you the win, seeing as it can negate almost anything for free, attack 2+ times a turn with 4000 ATK, and even if they get rid of it, you bring out Shooting Star Dragon, which has a respectable 3300, can costlessly negate destruction effects once a turn. Halberd's Summon negation is nice, but when it dies, you only can bring back a TG (which is probably Librarian). It just pales in the face of Quasar so much, and considering the investment of Summoning it, it's just too badly outclassed. Quasar can only negate an effect once per turn, so unless multiple Quasars are out, or you ended your opponent the turn you Summoned it, that restriction can be used to its disadvantage, and Shooting Star Dragon can be an annoying leftover, but it isn't impossible to deal with. (I think it's also worth noting that Quasar doesn't trigger when 101 eats him.) I'm glad Quasar does have these weaknesses though. I do feel bad for Halberd Cannon; he got wickedly outclassed not long after his debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I like this card because: 1. TG 2. Negating summons 3. Ok really I just sold Quasar and need a way to still play Quasar.dek irl Still this guy was my homie before I found Quasar. He needs to do more, or be easier to Summon than Quasar. Still, back in the day I loved the ol T.G. Recipro swap out with Blade Blaster and get this guy. I really like the TG boss monsters, no matter how outclassed they were. Hell, Blade Blaster isn't inherently bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 This was a good card because of Quasar was still stupidly expensive (still kinda is tbh), but soon, Everyone will have a quasar so this card will start taking the backroad into the pages of Yu-Gi-Oh history and be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauceboss2 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Halberd's Summon negation is nice, but when it dies, you only can bring back a TG (which is probably Librarian). It just pales in the face of Quasar so much, and considering the investment of Summoning it, it's just too badly outclassed. how quickly we forget that Halberd Cannon is.... wait for it.... a T.G. MONSTER! thats right folks, he can bring himself back even during damage step if he is not being tributed by an opponents card effect. otherwise it miss-times. Also, his negate a summon effect resets when he leaves and re enters the field on the same turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 how quickly we forget that Halberd Cannon is.... wait for it.... a T.G. MONSTER! thats right folks, he can bring himself back even during damage step if he is not being tributed by an opponents card effect. otherwise it miss-times. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Synchro Summon. Congratulations on reviving a month old thread to say something that's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Congratulations on reviving a month old thread to say something that's wrong.Given his username, I guess you could say his post was a little saucy....That pun doesn't even make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauceboss2 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 read quasars special summon effect, then read cannons special summon effect, then come back and tell me im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 read quasars special summon effect, then read cannons special summon effect, then come back and tell me im wrong. Halberd can't be Special Summoned except by Synchro Summon, so he can't be Summoned by his own effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 read quasars special summon effect, then read cannons special summon effect, then come back and tell me im wrong. Ok, I read both of them. You are wrong. What was the point of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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