LeLukeX Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 It hit me, there is all kind of support out. FIRE Support, Warrior-Type support, any combination you can think of... But have you ever seen a "Noob Support Card?" Haha Me Neither!!! Behold: So pretty much you must have a Deck with 60 cards and not use a single card in your Extra Deck XD... And as a result you'll be rewarded... :P Edits Made: Accounts for Banished cards and cannot activate multiple copies per turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Okay first of all, a +2 is never fair. Sure it means that you have to run a 60 Card Deck with no Extra to use this but even then, it stinks of Brokeness. To add insult to injury, your opponent then loses a card from their hand as well. I understand that your intent was to encourage people to run a Large Deck with no Extra's (Kind of like the olden days) But as it is, the Draw Power is much too strong. If it was a Pot of Greed Esque effect of Draw 2 then I would understand. Too much advantage, especially if you just happen to get a couple in your hand Turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Honestly, the concept is so hilarious that I'm all for it, lol. Just add an OPT clause to make it a bit more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 If a single card gets banished, though, you're entirely locked out of using this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 If a single card gets banished, though, you're entirely locked out of using this card. Doesn't change the fact that this is a HUGE early advantage. Aiso this card can be used for Monk food so it isn't totally dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Doesn't change the fact that this is a HUGE early advantage. Aiso this card can be used for Monk food so it isn't totally dead. That I can't disagree with. It's a net of +3 advantage. inb4 60-card RML draw loop decks that end in Magical Explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Okay first of all, a +2 is never fair. Sure it means that you have to run a 60 Card Deck with no Extra to use this but even then, it stinks of Brokeness. To add insult to injury, your opponent then loses a card from their hand as well. I understand that your intent was to encourage people to run a Large Deck with no Extra's (Kind of like the olden days) But as it is, the Draw Power is much too strong. If it was a Pot of Greed Esque effect of Draw 2 then I would understand. Too much advantage, especially if you just happen to get a couple in your hand Turn 1. Drawing multiples of this is unlikely in a 60 card Deck. But that being said I guess I should make this card once per turn. Any 60 card deck with no extra deck stands a chance against Shaddolls or Satellrs? top Tier meta? Heh... C'mon, you can't complain about this card, it's a huge balancing factor if anything. If a single card gets banished, though, you're entirely locked out of using this card. Oh I didn't take that into account, I'll fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't have a problem with the card's effect: it rewards you for intentionally running a bad deck. But there is a problem with the artwork: it is the same as Grisaille Prison. You should find another artwork that is not from an official card so it will be effectively a realistic card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't have a problem with the card's effect: it rewards you for intentionally running a bad deck. But there is a problem with the artwork: it is the same as Grisaille Prison. You should find another artwork that is not from an official card so it will be effectively a realistic card. I am sorry but are you serious? Being forced to run a 60 Card Deck doesn't make this card any less broken. Sure you lose out on the Extra Deck but Exodia Decks are going to love this even if it adds a extra 20 Cards to the Deck to assemble it. Also the card is now even MORE Broken. It can be played at any time unless your opponent negates it of course. Trust me here, you are looking at a potential 9 Cards total to your hand. That makes it a 48 Card Deck (These plus the 9 you Draw if they are different). You did add the OPT clause to it which makes it a bit more viable but for what it does? Its way too much. Its a +3 for you and a -1 for your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Well, you do have a point with the card supporting Exodia, stall and other decks with alternate win conditions; but still, would you play a 60-card deck, that most likely will be inconsistent, and without Extra Deck just to abuse this card? Because I wouldn't, or at least I would do it just "for fun" Although there are deck thinners that can help you will indirectly dropping the card count (Upstart, Duality, Card Car D etc.) so I guess the card could become a legitimate thread in decks that don't rely too much on the Extra Deck (Fire Kings, Batterymen?), so in retrospect I think it does deserve a nerf or otherwise the card would be opening a can of worms. And at the very least, it will support "solitaire", alternate win decks, which is not healthy for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I am sorry but are you serious? Being forced to run a 60 Card Deck doesn't make this card any less broken. Sure you lose out on the Extra Deck but Exodia Decks are going to love this even if it adds a extra 20 Cards to the Deck to assemble it. Also the card is now even MORE Broken. It can be played at any time unless your opponent negates it of course. Trust me here, you are looking at a potential 9 Cards total to your hand. That makes it a 48 Card Deck (These plus the 9 you Draw if they are different). You did add the OPT clause to it which makes it a bit more viable but for what it does? Its way too much. Its a +3 for you and a -1 for your opponent. It's pretty much established only Exodia decks (and the likes) can use this. B/c you must have no Extra Deck, which restricts this card to a few options (hopefully leaning towards noobs). A 60 card Exodia Deck? Are you serious? "Being forced to run a 60 Card Deck doesn't make this card any less broken." Really? Being forced to run a bad deck doesn't make this card less broken, yes it does... Imagine shaddolls trying to use this, imagine satellarknights trying to use this... Draw your whole deck for all I care, not being able to use an Extra Deck screws so many decks over so hard. As for alternate win conditions. Final Countdown CAN'T use this. There aren't enough stall cards, they'd be forced to use bad ones like Winged Kuriboh. Exodia Decks. Any FTK Exodia deck that tryies to build a 60 card Exodia deck will always brick. It's hard as it is to FTK via exodia, add 17 cards to the picture (not including this one). You know what, use a 60 card deck, use this card as a proxy, and I'll use Satellars, or Shaddolls and we'll see who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Okay first of all, a +2 is never fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 You really expect me to just give a "Fair" effect in compensation for running a 60 card deck and having no Extra Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 You speak a good point but there is actually another Deck I would like to bring up. DIAMOND DUDE TURBO. If this happens to get dumped by Diamond Dude? It ignores the whole 60 Card thing. Sure if you run this in a 40 Card Deck, its dead in your hand but as I said, you can use this for Monk Food among other ideas. Heck it can even be used as Bait for your oppoent's MST. Diamond Dude alone makes this care even worse. I will be honest I wasn't even thinking DD until just now. I am sorry if I seem a bit overly harsh at CnC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 You speak a good point but there is actually another Deck I would like to bring up. DIAMOND DUDE TURBO. If this happens to get dumped by Diamond Dude? It ignores the whole 60 Card thing. Sure if you run this in a 40 Card Deck, its dead in your hand but as I said, you can use this for Monk Food among other ideas. Heck it can even be used as Bait for your oppoent's MST. Diamond Dude alone makes this care even worse. I will be honest I wasn't even thinking DD until just now. I am sorry if I seem a bit overly harsh at CnC. I forgot about Diamond Dude. Damn! I'ma just Scrap this card all together now b/c I can't think of a way of restricting using this with Diamond Dude. And with Plaguespreader back at 3 he can set up this card for Diamond Dude (I've seen it happen many a times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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