Rodrigo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ok so: + - Reinforce = Rare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stop bitching on rarities. Limited is a thing, and if it was an uncommon, it'd ruin more drafts than you can imagine. I mean, if it's a crap card, why do you care for rarity anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 This card is sweet. I can see it doing more work in Mardu hyper-agro than... Whatever jeskai is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stop b****ing on rarities. Limited is a thing, and if it was an uncommon, it'd ruin more drafts than you can imagine. I mean, if it's a crap card, why do you care for rarity anyways? because better cards can be printed that could be nicer for the set at rare/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I wonder how many sets will it take for people to accept a decrease in power level. People complain at bad cards, but they don't know what they want themselves. We're not going ANY near Zendikar/Return to Ravnica again any soon, face it. It pains me too, but oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 because better cards can be printed that could be nicer for the set at rare/I mean, that's way too hopeful. There are so many audiences: Commander/Standard/Cube/Modern, and indeed the largest of them all by far, Casual. It is impossible to appeal to all of them equally especially by comparing one card.The existence of a casual card probably just means being replaced with another casual card, by probability's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Exactly. It's not that this slot was Stoneforge Mystic before, or a Snapcaster Reprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I will never accept a decrease in power level because the power level was fine! I mean, that's way too hopeful. There are so many audiences: Commander/Standard/Cube/Modern, and indeed the largest of them all by far, Casual. It is impossible to appeal to all of them equally especially by comparing one card. The existence of a casual card probably just means being replaced with another casual card, by probability's sake. Yeah. But I just want good modern cards that help the format more than anything. 5 Fetchlands isn't enough :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stubborn Refusal Empty the Pits Murderous Cut Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker Anafenza, the Foremost Jeskai Charm Mardu Charm Savage Knuckleblade Sultai Charm Utter End If neither of those sees ANY FORM of Modern play, even as 1-ofs somewhere, I'll eat my own shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 At least they could try to make Rares feel more Special...Much like the Mythics from this set actually weren't exactly Constructed Bombs at first sight but more of Quality Use of Design Space...and some of them are quite interesting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stubborn Refusal If neither of those sees ANY FORM of Modern play, even as 1-ofs somewhere, I'll eat my own shoes. k. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 k. You're welcome. Dae. Stubborn Refusal will definitely see play. Even if fringe/for a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Dae. Stubborn Refusal will definitely see play. Even if fringe/for a few months. That will see play. I took out the other cards because they won't on anything except brews and I don't count that in Modern, I count that as playing under the Modern format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Dae's in a pretty stubborn refusal at the moment. A format consists of ther stuff beside Tier 1 decks, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Dae's in a pretty stubborn refusal at the moment. A format consists of ther stuff beside Tier 1 decks, you know. Yeah, there is Tier 2, and brew decks that do well at tournaments like GP Kobe. But let's not discuss the difference from Modern and Casual under Modern. I am not stubborn. If we're talking about cards that are seeing play in Modern casually, let's talk about Narset. But isn't affecting Modern, just having a deck that plays under the format. FNM stuff right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ok, so now you're comparing cheap, utility cards of flat-out bombs to a overcosted commander mythic. I'm done. If any of the cards I mentioned is Narset-level for you, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh my god, you are really ignorant. http://manafyx.com/2014/09/05/jank-tank-final-lists-of-the-format/ Look at that, a nice deck that plays under the format using Narset. Great job. Great deck, it isn't going to affect the format, though. But it will see play because it is just a fun deck. It is good that you're done if you can't really see a card being abused because it is great. Narset has a deck, a brew. But that doesn't mean anything to the overall format, competitively. Which is what the grand scheme of Modern is: A competitive format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Stubborn Refusal - utility card Empty the Pits - finisher Murderous Cut - utility card Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker - big Dragon? Anafenza, the Foremost - utility card Jeskai Charm - utility card Mardu Charm - utility card Savage Knuckleblade - finisher Sultai Charm - utility card Utter End - utility card See the difference between cards I listed and Narset? They're not "build a crappy deck around me" cards. They're "shove me in a deck you already play" cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Really? Should I explain why those cards will not affect Modern? It doesn't matter if they see play, but they would be of any use to help the format grow. Those cards are cards that will be used in decks that play strictly to the Modern Banlist is there is any decks that use them. Yeah. But I just want good modern cards that help the format more than anything. 5 Fetchlands isn't enough :'( HELP THE FORMAT. Do you know what that means? Apparently not. Because most of those cards will not help the format, only be included the increasingly large card pool. Decks that play under the format and that play in the format are different from each other, hun. Sorry to tell you, but only Stubborn Refusal will help the format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Define "help the format" then since I feel like I'm arguing with Black here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Define "help the format" then since I feel like I'm arguing with Black here. Stop the format from being stale. Increasing the power level of decks to compete against the format. Hose other decks that have become too strong or are played too much. Increase an type play. Such as Control and Aggro. These don't do anything except Stubborn Refusal and the Fetchlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Most of those cards won't see play for one reason or another. Sarkhan is fighting for a spot with Stormbreath in Standard, and Stormbreath doesn't see play in Modern. Empty the Pits is basically just worse than Army of the Damned even at instant speed. Big fatties like Anafenza won't see play either. She's too close to Doran who's barely in tier territory, and Doran works under a unique angle of attack. And the Alara charms don't see play, so the wedge ones probably won't either. And Utter End is just weak through being 4-mana. The cards listed won't see competitive play in Modern, but equally I think it's incorrect to expect major shakeups in Modern. Zendikar and RtR were huge anomalies in the game; most sets don't effect eternal formats like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The cards listed won't see competitive play in Modern, but equally I think it's incorrect to expect major shakeups in Modern. Zendikar and RtR were huge anomalies in the game; most sets don't effect eternal formats like that. The major shake up we have for Modern will be the Fetchlands. But it is mostly helping Grixis Control and Tribal Zoo. But Aggro is going to only be weaker as a result, which is the archetype that needs the most help with. Unbans won't do anything, they need more tools to be able to fight against other decks. This is what I am desiring most from new sets, something that will affect the deck type for aggro as a whole. Affinity is really the only contender in that area. Zoo decks are fair decks that don't have easy ways to battle unfair decks, which is why it is weak. Hushwing Gryff is a nice example of a card that affected decks for the better; Hatebears. It is still at the same level, but it is harder to play against for many decks. Hushwing Gryff doesn't stop a deck from being a deck, either. It hoses many cards, which is why Zoo can play it in Sideboard. Another card to look at in this situation is Eidolon of the Great Revel which is amazing for Burn, pushing it so Burn is an actual deck nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 A one-time Dictate of Heliod for KTK limited seems pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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