LeLukeX Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Cannot be Special Summoned. Must be Normal Summoned/Set by Tributing 3 Normal Summoned Monsters. If your opponent controls at least 3 Special Summoned monsters and you control no Special Summoned Monsters, you can Normal Summon this card without Tributing. If you control a Special Summoned monster, destroy this card. While your opponent controls a Special Summoned monster, this card is unaffected by other card effects. This card can attack all Special Summoned monster your opponent controls, once each. Banish any Special Summoned monster destroyed by battle with this card. EDITS: Okay, I made his protection effect only active while your opponent controls SS'd monsters. Meaning, once he "Thrashes" all your opponent's monsters, he's no longer immune to your favorite back-row. Also, his tributes must now be monsters that were Normal Summoned, not Normal Monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Considering how common SSing is lately (especially factoring in Pendulums and Extra Deck), it's essentially a free Level 10 Normal drop that's immune to everything except its own nuke effect. That being said, you can't SS either when this is out; trying to think of Decks that don't SS; Monarchs come to mind. What's more, it attacks every SSed monster your opponent controls and banishes whatever it kills [which essentially boils down to quite a bit of monsters; save for some of the higher bosses]. In short, this card essentially punishes a significant amount of Decks for even playing, given their nature. I would definitely strip the effect immunity off of it; that way, your opponent at least has a chance to get rid of it through effects, given 3000 ATK is still a formidable wall for an opponent to get over in battle (not counting the obligatory backrow). Otherwise, it's essentially winmoar, given what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant F.U.R.Y.™ Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 3 Normal Monster should be 3 Normal Monsters Other than that, I like this card. Great anti-meta boss monster. Seems balanced, as you cant ss either. I would totally run this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kivoxo Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Getting this guy out is difficult, but his effects are a bit strong. Getting 3 Normal Monsters and keeping them out for a turn or even penduluming is very unlikely. Your opponent controlling 3 Special Summoned monsters during your turn is also unlikely (at least in the current meta). I really don't know how you should change the summoning conditions, but they seem to need changing. The last effect is the only thing that bothers me. This could be a comeback card, yes, but it would take a Marshmallon or Skill Drain to stop this guy from clearing AND banishing your monsters. This would make Decks go out of their way to run this guy, he is like a generic Qliphort Killer. The only way to get over this guy would be to have something with 3000 ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Seems balanced, as you cant ss either. Except that it's not. You not being able to Special Summon doesn't mean that you cannot just sit on it and a bunch of backrow to keep your opponent at bay while chipping away at his/her monsters with said backrow / MK-11 without a care in the world, given that it's unaffected by everything except it's own effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Considering how common SSing is lately (especially factoring in Pendulums and Extra Deck), it's essentially a free Level 10 Normal drop that's immune to everything except its own nuke effect. That being said, you can't SS either when this is out; trying to think of Decks that don't SS; Monarchs come to mind. What's more, it attacks every SSed monster your opponent controls and banishes whatever it kills [which essentially boils down to quite a bit of monsters; save for some of the higher bosses]. In short, this card essentially punishes a significant amount of Decks for even playing, given their nature. I would definitely strip the effect immunity off of it; that way, your opponent at least has a chance to get rid of it through effects, given 3000 ATK is still a formidable wall for an opponent to get over in battle (not counting the obligatory backrow). Otherwise, it's essentially winmoar, given what it does. 3 SS'd monsters is a lot if you think about it. How many Decks actually have 3 SS'd? Shaddolls will have a Winda, another SS'd monster, and then a Set monster (that wasn't SS'd by falcon) usually. And yeah he seems broken, but then when the opponent figures out you play this guy, you think they're going to just leave 3 SS'd monster on the field? I think this card is perfect like Heavy Storm (except better than Heavy Storm), players would be scared to SS more than two monsters. 3 Normal Monster should be 3 Normal Monsters Other than that, I like this card. Great anti-meta boss monster. Seems balanced, as you cant ss either. I would totally run this card. I just checked Wikia's wording on Apoqliphort Killer and I'm just going to change it to that entirely instead. It seems most updated, I believe the "Requires 3.." is outdated as of now. Except that it's not. You not being able to Special Summon doesn't mean that you cannot just sit on it and a bunch of backrow to keep your opponent at bay while chipping away at his/her monsters with said backrow / MK-11 without a care in the world, given that it's unaffected by everything except it's own effect. You have to tribute 3 Normal Monsters, and it can't be affected by Tokens. And Like I said before to Sakura, once your opponent knows this guy exists, tell me how they don't deserve this in their face if they just blatantly leave 3 SS'd monsters. Working with 2 is perfectly fine. It's like Heavy Storm, except instead of your opponent being weary of setting more than one S/T, your opponent will be weary of SS'ing more than 2. A lot of his OP-ness comes from the fact you just first saw him. He sees some play, players leave no more than 2 SS'd monsters on the field turn 1. It balances the whole game out from Spamming. AND a great counter to annoying infernities + Soul Charge + Set Break x3 and Barrier and other decks similar to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 You keep saying Heavy Storm, but isn't Heavy Storm banned? Not the best card to compare to. Anyway, I have to agree that it's a bit much, Sure people might be more careful after it sees some play, but now you have to base your strategy around if a deck has this card in it? That's not really a good thing to be honest. And if you DO get this thing out, which is possible seeing as you can still SS some Normal Monsters for the tribute, it's here to stay and constantly beat on the opponent. It's nearly a "I play this card, you lose" kinda deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeLukeX Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 You keep saying Heavy Storm, but isn't Heavy Storm banned? Not the best card to compare to. Anyway, I have to agree that it's a bit much, Sure people might be more careful after it sees some play, but now you have to base your strategy around if a deck has this card in it? That's not really a good thing to be honest. And if you DO get this thing out, which is possible seeing as you can still SS some Normal Monsters for the tribute, it's here to stay and constantly beat on the opponent. It's nearly a "I play this card, you lose" kinda deal. You're comment gives me an idea of the perfect fix! Please view the protection effect now :D (or in 5 min if you see this message as soon as I post it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 With the fix I think it's much better. It's really tough to get out but if you do it could be devastating for a while, but can also be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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