DuelSpectre Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Required cards: 3,4,5 LVL4 Monsters 1 Astral Force 1 Argent Force 1. Summon Planetellar 2. Go to MP2 3. Summon Diamond 4. Overlay M7 on top 5. Play Argent Force; Summon Chaos Atlandis 6. Play Astral Force; Summon Dyson Sphere 7. Add back Argent from its effect. 8. Use Argent; Summon Chaos Dyson 9. Use effect (10 materials * 300 = 3000) 10. Use effect again (10 materials * 800 = 8000) 3000 + 8000 = 11000 Thoughts on this OTK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 It can't be an FTK because you can't go MP2 on turn 1. Honestly, seems like a terrible amount of ED space wasting and lower consistency for a deck that already has issues with MST/Yuki/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Right, forgot that you can't go MP2 turn 1. Changing OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Honestly, seems like a terrible amount of ED space wasting and lower consistency for a deck that already has issues with MST/Yuki/etc. How many FTKs/OTKs that have been shown off have actually been viable decks? This is a cute combo, like many other FTKs/OTKs out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 How many FTKs/OTKs that have been shown off have actually been viable decks? This is a cute combo, like many other FTKs/OTKs out there. Well, for one, thoughts were asked for, so I assessed the deck it's in. Secondly, Gishki's "FTKs" and DancerWindFTK were considered to actually exist. Not the most viable, but definitely somewhat viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Well, for one, thoughts were asked for, so I assessed the deck it's in. Secondly, Gishki's "FTKs" and DancerWindFTK were considered to actually exist. Not the most viable, but definitely somewhat viable. Mind Augus FTK, Frog FTK, Demise OTK, Harpie Dancer FTK; I'm aware these existed and had competitive potential or were actually competitive. These seem more like the exception to the rule, however. Chain Material, for example, has spawned a lot of OTKs, but none I've heard of has been viable, mainly because of Chain Material itself. Then there were the Horakthy OTKs/FTKs, the Inzektor FTK that used Atlandis and Number 69, the Ghostrick Angel-Utopia FTK and the Dragunity FTK that used Atlandis. I say all this, because I think maybe it's more appropriate to judge this OTK combo relative to other FTKs/OTKs out there. If you disagree with me, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Electrum Chain Material FTK used to top back then, so there's that. FrogTK used to be ridic, and Mind Augus FTK was kinda consistent and was a threat. Forgot about DivineDancerBombardment FTK at its prime. also OP's combo looks really really situational. Though it IS an FTK if you have 3 level 4s since you can go to Diamond using Planetellar's eff instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The thing about this OTK is that Igknights already have a lot of consistency in: 3 Chicken Race 3 Upstart 3 Terraforming 3 RotA 3 Summoner's Art 3 Into the Void (Only for this variant) 2-3 Pseudo Space (Optional) And Royal Magical Library. That's literally half your deck full of "Upstart Goblins", along with 18 Igknights that search out themselves. It can give Igknights an optional wincon outside of Infinity if you don't go first, and since the Extra Deck is usually filled with some filler cards, you could easily allocate some space for the required Xyz monsters without much loss in utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The thing about this OTK is that Igknights already have a lot of consistency in: 3 Chicken Race 3 Upstart 3 Terraforming 3 RotA 3 Summoner's Art 3 Into the Void (Only for this variant) 2-3 Pseudo Space (Optional) And Royal Magical Library. That's literally half your deck full of "Upstart Goblins", along with 18 Igknights that search out themselves. It can give Igknights an optional wincon outside of Infinity if you don't go first, and since the Extra Deck is usually filled with some filler cards, you could easily allocate some space for the required Xyz monsters without much loss in utility. Let's count here: 18 + 3x6 = 36. If you include Pseudo Space, you go from 36 to 38-39. And that's before Royal Magical Library. So where do you fit RUMs? In addition, making Infinity isn't as lucrative in the deck as people make it out to be. It costs a LOT olf your resources to summon it, and considering that you'll then be depending on one negation per turn to keep you alive... Sure, it's strong and I won't deny, but it's not end-all as it's made out to be. The fact that this can't FTK, is in a deck riddled with realistically mained outs, and has all the issues FTKs has just makes it not worth the ED space, in my eyes. Sure, it might steal a randy game, but that doesn't warrant spending 4 ED slots on it. I actually found Igknights, even before Beetle stuff, to need every slot in their ED desperately, sans maybe 1-2. 3 if you really wanna stretch it. So, where do you fit it? 3 tech slots doesn't fit Ptolemy M7, C-Atlandis, Dyson, and C-Dyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 18 Igknights 3 Library 3 Upstart 3 Chicken Race 3 Into the Void 3 RotA 3 Summoner's Art 2 Terraforming 1 Astral 1 Argent Then taking into consideration to the ED from this thread:http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/333145-hol-horsedek/ You could drop -1 Angineer -1 Cowboy -1 Honor ARK -1 Blade Armor Or from this: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/330131-igknight-the-devastation-high-speed-reformation/ You could drop the 4 Synchros, as Yuki isn't run, not to mention M7 is already in the Extra. Yes, it will be "suboptimal" since you do have to devote some cards in your Deck to accomplish the OTK, and I will not deny that not having the OTK in the deck is better overall, but I don't see much lost by adding 2 cards in Main Deck and 4 in Extra. With all the drawing and tutoring I find it especially easy to acquire the 2 RUMs to accomplish the OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 18 Igknights 3 Library 3 Upstart 3 Chicken Race 3 Into the Void 3 RotA 3 Summoner's Art 2 Terraforming 1 Astral 1 Argent Then taking into consideration to the ED from this thread:http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/333145-hol-horsedek/ You could drop -1 Angineer -1 Cowboy -1 Honor ARK -1 Blade Armor Or from this: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/330131-igknight-the-devastation-high-speed-reformation/ You could drop the 4 Synchros, as Yuki isn't run, not to mention M7 is already in the Extra. Yes, it will be "suboptimal" since you do have to devote some cards in your Deck to accomplish the OTK, and I will not deny that not having the OTK in the deck is better overall, but I don't see much lost by adding 2 cards in Main Deck and 4 in Extra. With all the drawing and tutoring I find it especially easy to acquire the 2 RUMs to accomplish the OTK. First off, if you're not running Monk, you're not going to realistically find RML consistently enough to sell that RML makes this work. Yes, RML is good here, but not good enoguh to warrant the OTK, especiall without monk. Why are you using a list from months ago? Especially a fairly preliminary one? That's a pretty pathetic example, tbh, especially give nthat, since then, I'd dropped the Synchros in another build. Just seems like a very cheap dig. Infinity/Nova/Ptolemaus Zenmaioh Shark Fortress Basiltrice Delteros Utopia/S39:UtL Diamond or M7 Rhongomyniad Castel that's 12 cards. I even decided to run multiple test hands with a very similar build to what you listed above, but with edits given experience with the deck. Namely, that the level 3s are not worth running 3 of. I cut Rhongo for devil's advocate, but I found 4-5 mat Rhongomyniad a much more common occurence than this OTK, especially with the fact that the RUMs are actually dead draws, even at 1. It's not worth it when you could use the ED for more options and power plays than an OTK that conflicts with Chicken Race. Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that. In testing... chicken race is the single biggest reason I didn't get to OTK. Because it protects the lower player from burn. And since you have to go second for this OTK to work, or make Infinity and wait a turn, it's even less likely to go off. Yuki, MST, Veiler/Fiendish/etc., and so forth all exist and can stop it. And you don't run outs to it because you're so focused on a mediocre OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted May 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Ok, so I half-assed my search. 15 -------------- Infinity/Nova/Ptolemaus Zenmaioh Basiltrice Delteros Utopia/S39:UtL M7 Rhongomyniad Castel Constellar Diamond Atlandis/Chaos/Dyson You can cut 1 Eagle and Magnum for 2 Monks. Playing around Chicken is fairly easy with Upstart Goblin + paying 1000-3000LP from Chicken Race. I won't deny that it loses to Yuki/MST, etc. but Igknights in general are already vulnerable to said cards. If you go first, you make Rhongomiat or Infinity or whatever Xyz monster, if you go second, you can attempt the OTK. That's my perspective on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Ok, so I half-assed my search. 15 -------------- Infinity/Nova/Ptolemaus Zenmaioh Basiltrice Delteros Utopia/S39:UtL M7 Rhongomyniad Castel Constellar Diamond Atlandis/Chaos/Dyson You can cut 1 Eagle and Magnum for 2 Monks. Playing around Chicken is fairly easy with Upstart Goblin + paying 1000-3000LP from Chicken Race. I won't deny that it loses to Yuki/MST, etc. but Igknights in general are already vulnerable to said cards. If you go first, you make Rhongomiat or Infinity or whatever Xyz monster, if you go second, you can attempt the OTK. That's my perspective on it. You cut out Shark Fortress, who is one of the easiest game winners. Not worth losing that ability to OTK for another OTK that takesm ore slots. Eagle and Magnum are exactly what you cut for monks. chicken's actually nto that easy. It requires you to actually find your upstarts... And that's luck based. Sure, it can be played around, but it requires (assuming 8000/8000) 2 of 1 and 1 of the other, minimum. Or 3 of Race. Otherwise, you won't be outplaying Race, and I found Race got in the way a lot more than you're giving it credit for. You're not incredibly weak to Veiler, and not as much to Fiendish, so this just makes you even weaker to them. More weakness for a mediocre OTK doesn't seem worth it. Sure, that logic holds, but then you have to apply the logic of Infinity and Rhongomyniad; They're expensive. Rhongo shuts the opponent out and can all but win a game on his own, yeah. Howeverr, 4-5 mat Rhongo is not near as common as Infinity, and Infinity is highly costly. losing 3 Igknights, potentially, can just ruin your game while you attempt to survive with the one negation a turn. I'm not counting it out, you have to do it if you have to do it, but it's not a wincon. In fact, it's a showcase for how weak the deck is unless it sacks like a mother. And then, on top of that, you run cards that are just plain DEAD. You're running 2 empty slots in your deck in the name of maybe drawing them for an OTK that is incredibly vulnerable, and they're borderline useless outside of that OTK. Why make a deck that already dies to, well, everything die even harder? Igknights aren't going to be a best deck. They're like Dark Worlds, if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 OP, your OTK seems quite unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'm not sure if you came up with this on your own but.......it's already been done in S-Knights by YGOPro OTKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ZnSAehnjw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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