What do YOU think?

[Partangle the Candle Jangler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPAxEcZeuw

 

Couldn't think of an adequately expressive title so just took the one from this rage-inducingly narrow-minded carnival of stupidity. I just don't know. Any vegans want to say something about the views expressed within? 

['tyleR]

How about we take care of humanity and it's major issues first, then we'll worry about eating cows & and shaving fox fur.  

 

Human's have been doing this shit since the dawn of time, animals shouldn't be abused but let's face it, chicken, cow, deer, fish and all this other shit was put here because we as humans need protein and one of the most valuable sources of protein and other nutrients is in meat.  I'm not just gonna stop eating meat because you love animals too much.  Certain things we do to these animals are absolutely disgusting and terrible but there are bigger issues I'm worried about.  If you love and care about animals more than you love and care about your fellow human, you're priorities are sadly mistaken and I take pity on you.  I also wonder how you made it this far in the modern world, but I guess there are more baffling things.

 

Either way, steak is good and I will keep eating steak until I have a genuine reason not too, like cow extinction.

 

Oh, and forcing people to be vegan?  Ho, what about human rights?  What about the animals that eat other animals?  You gonna tell a leopard that he can't eat antelope because he should just be happy with veggies?  This b[b][/b]itch has shit ASS BACKWARDS.  LIKE LOOK AT YOU.  YOU LOOK LIKE THE FEMALE VERSION OF SKELETOR.  Why don't you freak out about some shit like how our atmosphere is getting fucked, or the fact that we are doing major deforestation to manufacture drugs or to continue industrial growth for major corporations?  That shit is worse for Earth than getting some goddamn dairy and meat issues.

[Agro]

How about we take care of humanity and it's major issues first, then we'll worry about ___________.

Can we not do this again?

[Tentacruel]

First Amendment.  NEXT

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I stopped listening after the first minute, because the whole video is basically her ranting on why we should become vegan and other stuff (and NOT backing up her facts).

And if this were an actual speech, I wouldn't buy her message. (Yeah, I have to do it now because of college-level public speaking classes + whatever)

 

Yeah, going vegan will cut down on your chances of getting bad cholesterol (and I eat a fair bit of meat daily tbh); but you can't just FORCE people to change.

 

I know my cousin on the mainland changed to vegan a couple years ago for whatever reason she chose, but that in mind, she had/has a couple of pets so likely because cares. I sincerely doubt she was influenced by this person.

 

Like tyleR mentioned, there are more pressing issues in the world and she chose to address...this, of all things. 

Yeah, there are things that we do to animals that are inhumane (and ironically, I had to do a presentation on why animal testing is immoral last month), but we have bigger things to attend to.

 

There are a few animals that I do like (and vow never to eat), but that doesn't imply that I'm going to give up eating meat.

I need the protein for my diet, though in perspective, I mostly eat chicken and less on steaks and other stuff. (Mostly due to chicken being lower in calories, and cheaper. Also fish, but that's a bit less nowadays)

 

If anything, if I continue to eat meat, it'll basically be things that I've already been chewing on for the longest times (which is the above).

 

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And then, we have animals that eat other ones.

I could go on and say that it's a balance of nature to make sure there's enough to go around for everything in that area; what are one person's words going to do to stop that process?

 

 

Yeah, I don't have too much else to say.

[Cin]

Vegan extremism. 

I think some people forget the damage the crops required as food crops also do to the environment. And you can't FORCE people to do something. 

 

Admittedly going Vegan can be good for you, someone I follow on Twitter suffers from ME and Fibromyalgia, but decided to try going Vegan and has done her well to the point she no longer needs medication. (She regularly shows the meals she's made on Youtube and Twitter to her fans)

 

Humans have been consuming meat products since we started off admittedly we have wiped out species because of it in more recent times (along with our need to grow food crops, rubber, etc), but it'll continue for as long as we continue to exist. I know during our evolution we became more and more meat based in our diet, but there's nothing wrong with that. As long as we are human with the killing of the animals we consume. (Which is more than most carnivores)

[Astolfo]

I respect people's opinions whether they choose to be vegan/vegetarian/etc as long as they don't bother other people about it.

Personally, I probably don't eat enough vegetables, I love meats/breads/etc and mostly abhor vegetables altogether except for a few here and there.

 

However, on a basic level, there are basic nutrients that vegetables have that meats don't, and same vice versa.

Sure, you could probably go vegan and/or vegetarian, but as far as I recall, meats have certain whatevers (forgot the name) that only meats have, and not other possible vegetable alternatives, so there's that. I might be wrong though, so feel free to correct me on that.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Although I suspect we'll judged in textbooks in a few centuries for being barbarian meat eaters, it's too engrained in society and its economies for us to put a sudden halt to now [s]and it's juicy and delicious[/s]. 

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

Pretty much everything I could want to say about this has been put very well already, so I'm going to just say tl;dr, I agree with tlyeR and everyone else in this thread

 

One thing I do have to say is something I learned in my environmental science class.  Now, in one of the lectures my professor gave, he pointed out that it takes a lot of resources to feed the animals we eat.  I don't remember the exact statistic, but suffice to say it takes absurd amounts of plant matter to feed all the cows and pigs and chickens and whatnot.  Obviously, those plants have to come from somewhere, so what we have is a situation where all over the world, we have huge farms, dedicated just to producing livestock feed, and these farms are way bigger than the ones we have to produce the corn and tomatoes and fennel and crap we eat.  So, that eats up environmental space cause we need room for farms, and it takes a hunk out of people's wallets because you need to pay those farmers and all that stuff.  So, from an economic standpoint, as well as an environmental standpoint, it would be THEORETICALLY better to have everyone follow a vegetarian (not even vegan) diet.  With all the food we're producing for livestock, if we get rid of HALF of those farms, and stop growing animals short of chickens, cows, and goats for eggs and dairy, we could very well feed every person on earth with a vegetarian diet, with still plenty of food left over.

 

However, I don't need to tell all you rational people how INSANE it would be to just suddenly go: "Y'know what?  No more meat, and half our farms are going to become forests and crap again."  People would lose jobs, system shock in everyone's bodies, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.  So maybe, possibly, theoretically, if somehow our ancestors had been herbivores, and that carried on to this day, then maybe things would be pretty cool from an environmental and economic standpoint.  But we can't just suddenly go "Hey, let's do the opposite of what's been going on since before your great-great grandpappy was even genetically possible."

[Astolfo]

If I remember correctly, human brains also developed to be this large, because you know, eating meat.

[Dad]

How about we take care of humanity and it's major issues first, then we'll worry about eating cows & and shaving fox fur.  

 

Human's have been doing this shit since the dawn of time, animals shouldn't be abused but let's face it, chicken, cow, deer, fish and all this other shit was put here because we as humans need protein and one of the most valuable sources of protein and other nutrients is in meat.  I'm not just gonna stop eating meat because you love animals too much.  Certain things we do to these animals are absolutely disgusting and terrible but there are bigger issues I'm worried about.  If you love and care about animals more than you love and care about your fellow human, you're priorities are sadly mistaken and I take pity on you.  I also wonder how you made it this far in the modern world, but I guess there are more baffling things.

 

Either way, steak is good and I will keep eating steak until I have a genuine reason not too, like cow extinction.

 

Oh, and forcing people to be vegan?  Ho, what about human rights?  What about the animals that eat other animals?  You gonna tell a leopard that he can't eat antelope because he should just be happy with veggies?  This bitch has shit ASS BACKWARDS.  LIKE LOOK AT YOU.  YOU LOOK LIKE THE FEMALE VERSION OF SKELETOR.  Why don't you freak out about some shit like how our atmosphere is getting fucked, or the fact that we are doing major deforestation to manufacture drugs or to continue industrial growth for major corporations?  That shit is worse for Earth than getting some goddamn dairy and meat issues.

 

Son, that shit turned into #BlackPeopleTwitter and World Star SO QUICK.  I went from reading the greatest thing to something even better, and I still don't know how that came to be.  brbdying

 

 

Can we not do this again?

 

Get your balls out of a twist.

[Agro]

Get your balls out of a twist.

"________ is a bigger issue so we shouldn't talk about _________"  is a dumb argument no matter the particular torsion of my testicles.

 

...also what is this thread about? I haven't been paying attention.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

There's a certain point at which it isn't a dumb argument at all, where I live they call that prioritizing.

 

Dwelling upon the intricacies and infinite known and unknown dynamics in the condition of a grain of sand your entire life doesn't do anything significant for anyone and is a waste of time.

[Agro]

There's a certain point at which it isn't a dumb argument at all, where I live they call that prioritizing.

 

Dwelling upon the intricacies and infinite known and unknown dynamics in the condition of a grain of sand your entire life doesn't do anything significant for anyone and is a waste of time.

The joke is that philosophically speaking, that may not actually be accurate, lol

 

Priority is always a matter of opinion.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Then let's form opinions!

 

Saying "such and such is a matter of opinion" doesn't render all opinions null and mean we stop thinking entirely because other people think differently. "Philosophically speaking" does not make a grain of sand more important than the fate of humanity, to say that it does undermines the whole point of philosophy in the first place. Backwards apeshit wrong thinking in the name of philosophy is a different thing altogether, but again, that's why we form our opinions rather than indulging asinine nonsense like "hey, a grain of sand, let's all kill ourselves!", or at least that's my philosophy and opinion. 

 

Anyway, this is about vegans and whether animal rights is one of the things we should prioritize. 

 

Given that our diets are more or less something we can control and that we as citizens of developing countries with access to YCM don't depend on meat for survival, is there any reason why we can't stop eating meat? Let's take a look at arguments so far:

 

 

 

Oh, and forcing people to be vegan?  Ho, what about human rights?

 

 

Rights imply entitlement. What about animal rights? Does our entitlement to eating killed animals outweigh animals' right to live?

 

 

 

What about the animals that eat other animals? You gonna tell a leopard that he can't eat antelope because he should just be happy with veggies?

 

 

But we're not other animals and we're certainly not leopards, we're humans and we're doing much better than leopards, as are a good deal of herbivores. We also don't run nearly as fast or s*** wherever it happens to fall out. We are not primal hunter/gatherers anymore and are in a position to stop eating meat, as evidenced by the existence of vegans and vegetarians.

 

 

This b**** has s*** ASS BACKWARDS.  LIKE LOOK AT YOU.  YOU LOOK LIKE THE FEMALE VERSION OF SKELETOR.

 

Being vegan/vegetarian doesn't mean you can't be large, there're plenty who are overweight albeit fewer, but generally being overweight isn't a popular goal among non-Sumo wrestlers anyway. She may be on the thin side but doesn't seem unhealthily underweight with her veganism being the culpable factor. 

 

 

 

Why don't you freak out about some s*** like how our atmosphere is getting f***ed, or the fact that we are doing major deforestation to manufacture drugs or to continue industrial growth for major corporations?

 

Well, we can do our humble share for the atmosphere (including going vegan/vegetarian, the meat packing industry is certainly responsible for its share of pollution), though tackling major corporations might be a more select battle. They don't call them "major" for nothing.

 

 

 

First Amendment.  NEXT

 

 

That’s only in America and she’s Australian. Besides, it still wouldn’t be applicable in America if meat-eating were criminalized considering “the freedom to eat meat” has nothing to do with freedom of religion, speech, the press, “the right to peaceably assemble”, or “the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.” Their might be protests against the govenrment after the fact, but is there any reason there should be?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

 

 

There are a few animals that I do like (and vow never to eat), but that doesn't imply that I'm going to give up eating meat.

 

 

So an animal’s right to live is dependant on whether you like it or not? 

 

 

 

I think some people forget the damage the crops required as food crops also do to the environment. And you can't FORCE people to do something. 

 

“A staggering 51 percent or more of global greenhouse-gas emissions are caused by animal agriculture, according to a report published by the Worldwatch Institute.”

 

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/meat-environment/

 

 

I respect people's opinions whether they choose to be vegan/vegetarian/etc as long as they don't bother other people about it.

 

 

Well I should hope so, it’s not like we'd be in any position to persecute vegans/vegetarians/etc. On the other hand, they may well be right to bother us about it.

 

If I remember correctly, human brains also developed to be this large, because you know, eating meat.

 

The component largely found in meat that would play a role in brain size is vitamin B12, which can be supplemented anyway.

 

However, I don't need to tell all you rational people how INSANE it would be to just suddenly go: "Y'know what?  No more meat, and half our farms are going to become forests and crap again."  People would lose jobs, system shock in everyone's bodies, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

 

Perhaps there would be mass hysteria at first, as there was with the abolition of slavery in America, but perhaps it would be worth it in the long run, as was the abolition of slavery in America.

 

[Tentacruel]

 

That’s only in America and she’s Australian. Besides, it still wouldn’t be applicable in America if meat-eating were criminalized considering “the freedom to eat meat” has nothing to do with freedom of religion, speech, the press, “the right to peaceably assemble”, or “the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.” Their might be protests against the govenrment after the fact, but is there any reason there should be?

 

 

Just in case you misunderstood me, what I meant was...

 

Even though I completely disagree with what she said in the video, I don't think it's fair to form an internet hate mob about it.  It happens a lot when someone posts an unpopular opinion and it's kinda rude. 

[Dad]

You want my real opinion then?  You wanna know what I think?  I think, this is one of them onion thangs.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

 

Perhaps there would be mass hysteria at first, as there was with the abolition of slavery in America, but perhaps it would be worth it in the long run, as was the abolition of slavery in America.

 

You've never seen Ghostbusters, or you would've gotten that that last sentence was what we call a joke/reference.