Slinky Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 People slamming TGU don't understand how much of a power play it was in CD, WU, and Rabbit. Like Hornet both on paper and practice cannot trounce the LPD REDMD loop. Sure it can. REDMD can only revive on your turn, so hit LPD, then hit what it revives, loop gone. Hornet absolutely wrecks the "loop" then proceeds to OTK you so you can't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sure it can. REDMD can only revive on your turn, so hit LPD, then hit what it revives, loop gone. Hornet absolutely wrecks the "loop" then proceeds to OTK you so you can't do it again. Except it can't OTK if it's forced to pop more than one thing, so Lightpulsar does stop you OTKing. Although the best way for Chaos Dragons to beat Inzektors is just to leave their field empty until they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Except it can't OTK if it's forced to pop more than one thing, so Lightpulsar does stop you OTKing. Although the best way for Chaos Dragons to beat Inzektors is just to leave their field empty until they win. Either way, it still wrecks the loop, which was the main point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I feel like Dolkka set 4 was just as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Depends what you're against and whether one of the 4 is a Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I feel like Dolkka set 4 was just as good Dolkka set 4 was stupid good yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Wasn't Macro Rabbit a thing? How do you people expect Inzektors to last. I mean if we look at the game currently, Burning Abyss Chaos Dragons are slated for Tier 1 assuming TGU doesn't get hit (no reason to). LPD into Aether...goodbye hornet. In March 2012 it wasn't uncommon to see multiple LPD on field and Dark Flare was a very real threat for a grave oriented deck like Inzektor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Macro Rabbit wasn't a thing until Mermail format. edit: Oh, and I remembered why Dolkka set 4 wasn't as great back then. If you didn't have lance you had a very realistic chance of losing the game if your Dolkka got hit by removal whereas with Laggia you had a pretty good chance of winning the game no matter what, and back then a lot of decks maindecked and almost every deck at least sidedecked Soul Taker so there was plenty of removal to hit the Dolkka with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The problem was that format generally was like if you set your s/ts, inzektors will pop them and if you hold them, wind ups will discard them so going first was like pray to kevin twat edit: the only safe and accessible place for your cards was banished which says something about the game Nah, you just summon a Laggia and you're laughing :) Or literally just play Chaos Dragons because the fuck did they care where you put their cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Chaos Dragons lost to the Wind-Up loop as much as other decks did. They didn't really want to have cards go to grave unless they were getting value out of it from stuff like Future Fusion, Trooper, Recharge/lightsworns and Charge. With only 3 cards in the opening hand you needed to hope those 3 cards were really good or you were in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Chaos Dragons lost to the Wind-Up loop as much as other decks did. They didn't really want to have cards go to grave unless they were getting value out of it from stuff like Future Fusion, Trooper, Recharge/lightsworns and Charge. With only 3 cards in the opening hand you needed to hope those 3 cards were really good or you were in trouble. Bar them hitting the 7 spells the deck even ran, the last 3 cards would still be very very good. Plus the deck was a topdecking machine, so while yeah, it hurt to lose cards to the Graveyard against your choice, it could still turn around and drop TGU and a boss and not care, easy and consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Inzektors were never tier 0 or even close to tier 0. In fact, they were the 4th best deck behind Rabbit, Wind-Ups and Chaos Dragons for almost the entire time theyw ere out (think the first few weeks were Chaos Dragon-free). The only reason people thought so highly of them was because the smashed worlds due to Tourguide and Wind-Up Shark not being legal. I feel like for whatever reason the deck is hyped to way beyond what it should be, it's still somewhat inconsistent and pretty fragile. Sooo my memory isn't too precise, but are you saying all other relevant non-Inzektor decks suffered hits narrowly before worlds? I think I do recall Wind-Ups getting more restricted at some point by the list. I guess that'd explain the astonishing amount of top 8 Inzektors at worlds, which pretty much monopolized the latter rounds that year. Speaking of (and this is unrelated) has there been streaming of the events like that afterwards? I don't think I've seen any every since. Anyways, one pattern I can assure about Inzektors in their prime is that when they focused in Hornet combos they generally swarmed more the more they got to pop my field, so the perfect defense for when I didn't have Veilers was to simply not play cards during my turn =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sooo my memory isn't too precise, but are you saying all other relevant non-Inzektor decks suffered hits narrowly before worlds? I think I do recall Wind-Ups getting more restricted at some point by the list. I guess that'd explain the astonishing amount of top 8 Inzektors at worlds, which pretty much monopolized the latter rounds that year. Speaking of (and this is unrelated) has there been streaming of the events like that afterwards? I don't think I've seen any every since. Anyways, one pattern I can assure about Inzektors in their prime is that when they focused in Hornet combos they generally swarmed more the more they got to pop my field, so the perfect defense for when I didn't have Veilers was to simply not play cards during my turn =D No, but TCG exclusives weren't legal at worlds and those included Tour Guide and Shark, so Inzektors were the only viable option to play. European YCS'es have been streamed in very high quality for a fair while now (even if the commentators are terrible and you question whether they even play the game). America is a bit behind on that but YCS Columbus was streamed (badly), so we're yet to see if that was just a 150th YCS gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 No, but TCG exclusives weren't legal at worlds and those included Tour Guide and Shark, so Inzektors were the only viable option to play. And Dolkka. Don't forget Dolkka. Never forget. Also Rabbit, Zenmaines, and to a lesser extent, Dark Smog. Most importantly, D-Boyz wasn't there. Probably the most important loss to opposing decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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