Blue-Eyes VS. Red-Eyes

[Yellow Jacket]

So with all this new Red Eyes support coming out I thought it was good support but from what I'm hearing its not. For example, everybody thinks White Stone is better than Black Stone but I don't see it (and I'm a Blue Eyes player!).

 

So my questions to you guys are:

1. With the new Red Eyes support is it likely we can expect new Blue Eyes support as well?

2. Which deck is more playable?

3. Do the Odd-Eyes monsters deserve to call themselves "-Eyes" dragons?

[Power Armour]

Red Eyes has always had more playable support but neither has enough to support a deck of Red/Blue Eyes. Better off incorporating them into another deck.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Neither if you want to win

[Yellow Jacket]

Well the ability to win means nothing if all your going to be doing is mirror matches. That's why I don't use ANY meta decks. Blue-Eyes just happens to be my favorite as Red-Eyes happens to be my brothers' favorite. So bar "winning", the questions are above if you have any opinions.

[mshends]

1. Yes Blue-eyes will get new supports in the near future. Remember there's going to be a movei about Kaiba vs Yugi next year (so is a perfect opportunity for Konami to release new support during that time)

2. Well both of them are playable

3. Yes the Odd-eyes monsters deserve the name' -eyes' (they are more interesting and more bad-ass than 39)

[Toffee.]

TC.... Why are you implying racism?

[DuelSpectre]

I see Red-Eyes vs Blue-Eyes in this fashion:

 

Red-Eyes was weaker than Blue-Eyes

Red-Eyes slowly gained on Blue-Eyes

Red-Eyes overpowered Red-Eyes.

Now Blue-Eyes is plotting payback.

 

AKA African Americans vs KKK

 

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But on a serious note, Red-Eyes got so much support that they overpower Blue-Eyes in most aspects.

[Resident Fascist]

Well the ability to win means nothing if all your going to be doing is mirror matches. That's why I don't use ANY meta decks. 

 

I hate to take this topic off it's intended course but there are far more than mirror matches in any given metagame. Right now, counting the most popular decks in the format, completely disregarding any sort of win percentage, you have at least 8 matchups.

 

Satellarknight VS Shaddoll

Satellarknight VS Qliphort

Satellarknight VS Nekroz

Satellarknight VS Satellarknight 

Shaddoll VS Qliphort

Shaddoll VS Nekroz

Shaddoll VS Shaddoll

Nekroz VS Qliphort

Nekroz VS Nekroz

 

I believe this is every combination. This is also discounting variants like Nekrozdolls as entirely different decks. Regarding the answer to your original question, neither deck is particularly viable, Blue-Eyes enjoyed a slight moment of success being an engine in a larger percentage of Dragon Ruler lists, but I have heard a good number of players having a decent time with Red-Eyes. The Rank 7 in particular is completely crazy.

[Yellow Jacket]

Yeah I know that there are other meta decks like Shaddolls and Tellarknights but you're more likely to duel against those than any other deck. Meaning that you have an idea what to side against them. If you fought my Power bond Ancient Gear OTK deck then you may or may not know what to side against it. All I'm saying is that if Konami would put a little more effort into the "Blue-Eyes" archetype then I'd be much more happy.

 

And why is it that when Red Eyes gets something its: "Red-Eyes "X" Dragon" but when Blue Eyes gets something it never starts with "Blue-Eyes"? Basically a searcher for Blue Eyes would be near impossible as none of the cards share a common part in their name.

[Resident Fascist]

Yeah I know that there are other meta decks like Shaddolls and Tellarknights but you're more likely to duel against those than any other deck. Meaning that you have an idea what to side against them. If you fought my Power bond Ancient Gear OTK deck then you may or may not know what to side against it. 

 

I wouldn't side against Ancient Gear because Ancient Gear are terrible and that would be a waste of sideboard slots. I don't see why you are stating there is no value in winning a mirror match, that seems incredibly ass backwards considering that mirrors tend to be the more skilful matchups. Honestly, a lot of the like for Blue-Eyes and Red-Eyes is just nostalgia, they aren't really anything special, just two random vanilla dragons that happened to be relevant in the first series of the show. I don't know why they should be entitled to more support than anything else just because of those reasons alone. That being said, Blue-Eyes does hold the distinction of being the highest attack maindeck Normal Monster, so there's that. It's just a shame that's literally never relevant as it's other stats, like being level 8 and searchable.

 

 Looking in context of the Red-Eyes support, the Xyz is absolutely crazy and the rest is mediocre to slightly good at best. Also regarding Odd-Eyes Dragon, an abridged version of the ARC-V plot is that there are now 4 dimensions, Standard, Synchro, Xyz and Fusion. Each one obviously specializing in a different summoning type. Yuya's Pendant brought forth Pendulum Summoning into the Standard dimension. Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon is the Standard Dimension Dragon, Clear Wing Synchro Dragon is the Synchro Dimension Dragon, Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon is the Xyz Dimension Dragon, and the Fusion Dimension Dragon hasn't been revealed yet. It has every right to be called such, considering it's not only far more interesting than all the previous (Blank)-Eyes monsters, but has actually gone somewhere in starting it's own archetype and somewhat looking to be decently playable, which is more than can be said for the rest of them, despite how much evilfusion would love you to believe his waifu Galaxy-Eyes is actually playable (RIP).

[Yellow Jacket]

I'm not saying that mirror matches aren't valuable wins or anything. I'm merely stating that a lot of players will play a deck for the simple purpose of it winning. A mirror match does require a lot of skill as well because you are both using a similar style. The only thing I'm talking about is that in a mirror match it is more or less who gets to the strategy 1st and there are crazy things people will do to make sure they do get to it first (looking at you Hobin). I'm just saying that maybe adding in some more Blue Eyes cards to the game would drive some nostalgia players toward him and there would be a little less mirrors. The cards don't even have to be meta worthy just an equivalent to the new Red Eyes cards because we all know nobody wants to summon Ultimate or Shining Dragon (probably except me).

 

And by the way, I love Odd-Eyes as well and I am ecstatic about his SD. The only "-Eyes" monster I believe not worthy to carry that title is "Googly-Eyes Drum Dragon".

[The Amazing Avian]

Competitively, new BEWD support will probably not do anything major outside local tourneys unless it's something that puts it on meta level, which would just lead to more mirror matches anyway which is what you want to avoid so it's irrelevant. People want to win at these events therefore they will play decks that facilitate winning and will not risk playing a subpar deck for the sake of nostalgia.

[Yellow Jacket]

Regardless I'd like my Ultimate Dragon a little bit more playable. I'm hoping Kaiba will debut something that can ease with that.