Zauls Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I came across a guy who was playing this in Nekroz with Shaddoll Dragons and perhaps a Squamata to make Anoyatyllis. Obviously for the mirror match, but it also works as a Mind Crush counter. Opponent flips Mind Crush, you chain this and make your opponent discard. I was playing Qli and had a full setup with Scout and everything but as soon as he chained this to my Mind Crush I had to discard and I lost Scout and I ended up losing the game. Safe to say I got rekt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Sure they weren't just playing Nekroz Shaddoll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I honestly didn't know that was a thing but I didn't see any other Shaddolls for the rest of the match. Even if he was, teching a few Shaddolls and El Fusion seems quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 OTK card. Should be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 OTK card. Should be limited.Limiting this before regular Shaddoll Fusion? lol k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Thought this was a Limitation Discussion, but I get a neat tech story instead. k. Though, it's definitely something to look up upon. I'm a big Shaddoll fan and I heavily enjoy the shenaniganery they are capable up, but this card is total bonkers. It basically says lolnope to any counter measures and traps and nets you extra + during your opponent's turn and/or is responsible for some ridiculous OTK setups. A lot of Shaddoll players can probably agree that nerfing this is a possibility. Reg. Fusion is also a possibility, but the effectiveness of getting your free dumps when your opponent has an Extra Deck monster might vary perhaps if you're facing Nekroz, but we'll see what gets more popular next format. And the fact that El is a Quick-Play could speak for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Regular is powerful in a reactive way (only shines Is your opponent leaves a extra deck monster on field) This card is both reactive (dodges Traps) and proactive ( pushes for OTK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Regular is powerful in a reactive way (only shines Is your opponent leaves a extra deck monster on field) This card is both reactive (dodges Traps) and proactive ( pushes for OTK)Are you really saying original S-Fusion is a reactive card? It might be, but are you saying that punishing a single extra deck monster with another one + barrages of CA fair? Its existence means you can't play extra deck or else you're funked. Have you seen what sheet original S-Fusion can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Limiting this before regular Shaddoll Fusion? lol kwhy are you laughing at him, he's correct o-o OG is an unhealthy design, but it is not the main problem by any means. Advocating an OG hit is just game health. Even then, its only as powerful as the times, and is a major sign of the era. El-Doll is the one that should be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 OG is an unhealthy design, but it is not the main problem by any means. Advocating an OG hit is just game health. Even then, its only as powerful as the timesuh you say this and in other threads, you advocate the banning of Lavalval Chain? I'm out of here. Nononono. Like funking hell am I getting in this sheet again. Keep stroking your game health or whatever is the attribute of your e-penis. I'm back to deck brewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 uh you say this and in other threads, you advocate the banning of Lavalval Chain? I'm out of here.I advocate game health, I was pointing out the fact that you, inadvertently, also were. I just acknowledge that OG fusion is a card that incidcates the game's current power level. I'd like it to be too good, but it isn't. The game would need a lot of reversion to make Shaddoll Fusion too good again. Lavalval Chain isn't even relevant, though, so idk why you would say that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I advocate game health, I was pointing out the fact that you, inadvertently, also were. I just acknowledge that OG fusion is a card that incidcates the game's current power level. I'd like it to be too good, but it isn't. The game would need a lot of reversion to make Shaddoll Fusion too good again. Lavalval Chain isn't even relevant, though, so idk why you would say that...In last thread you kept saying how incredibly impactful Lavalval Chain is nowadays. Or it was iHop. idk anymore. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 What does OG mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 What does OG mean?OG = original gansta or something, well anyways in this case the normal Shaddoll Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yay, let's talk about game health in LITERALLY every discussion about a meta card in the TCG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 why are you laughing at him, he's correct o-o OG is an unhealthy design, but it is not the main problem by any means. Advocating an OG hit is just game health. Even then, its only as powerful as the times, and is a major sign of the era. El-Doll is the one that should be limited.Exactly. Nearly every Deck that counts can deal with the FuFu aspect:-Nekroz: don't keep ED monsters-Qli: same as above barring Shockfinity Lawck-tellar: Ptolemaeus into Diamond-Mermail: Main Deck beaters-HERO: Dark Law-RB: Chain Tag-Yosenju: don't care-BA: Fire up the Lake Etcetera. Whereas Contract with the Imitation of God/El Shaddoll Fusion IS the chainable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 -Nekroz: don't keep ED monstersLavalval Chain-Qli: same as above barring Shockfinity LawckSee you after Swaying Gaze enters-tellar: Ptolemaeus into DiamondI give you that.-Mermail: Main Deck beatersUh, aren't we talking TCG? Also Mermails are extra deck reliant as funk.-HERO: Dark LawHeroes are a thing?-RB: Chain TagSure-Yosenju: don't careYup-BA: Fire up the LakeIf you have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 If a Nekroz player leaves Lavalval Chain out without a Djinn lock he's a moron, especially if he's playing Shaddoll. Sure, if you happen to have a Djinn out that pops only Claus then they have an extra deck monster, but then and only then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 -Nekroz: don't keep ED monstersLavalval ChainThen they've Djinn-locked you.-Qli: same as above barring Shockfinity LawckSee you after Swaying Gaze entersisn't that how the lock is made?-Mermail: Main Deck beatersUh, aren't we talking TCG? Also Mermails are extra deck reliant as f***.I'm covering both bases. But yes, my bad.-HERO: Dark LawHeroes are a thing?In OCG yes.-BA: Fire up the LakeIf you have itit's basically searchable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 ITT: Djinn outs don't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah, there's inaccuracies on both sides here. BA really do have a tough time clearing their Xyz off the board, but BA is the only deck that can't do this. Qli needn't, even with that Swaying Gaze sheet it's not as if Qli players playing Cat don't make Diamond as their go to rank-4 against Shaddoll, Nekroz only do if you have Book of Moon or something (if you set Squamata chances are the Nekroz player will try and Valk off the Chain next turn), obviously none of the other decks need to worry about it other than Breakthrough Skilled Tellars, but BA kinda do. edit: I have no intention of continuing this conversation, all of this is stupid as sheet because this thread is meant to be about the MERITS of El Shaddoll Fusion as a card in certain decks, not about "game health" like everyone seems to be most interested about. I just wanted to point out factual inaccuracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 ITT: Djinn outs don't exist?Saying that something can be countered hardly sounds like an argument in this game anymore :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The thing is that El-Shaddoll Fusion has more impact than OG (original) Fusion. OG is a card that matters a lot in game health, but not near as much in impact. It changes how the game is played, but not to the degree that it changes how you play as a whole, just in the doll matchup. El-Doll is a lot stronger than OG because it stands on its own to make OTKs. Do you think that dolls live with JUST OG now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah, there's inaccuracies on both sides here. BA really do have a tough time clearing their Xyz off the board, but BA is the only deck that can't do this. Qli needn't, even with that Swaying Gaze s*** it's not as if Qli players playing Cat don't make Diamond as their go to rank-4 against Shaddoll, Nekroz only do if you have Book of Moon or something (if you set Squamata chances are the Nekroz player will try and Valk off the Chain next turn), obviously none of the other decks need to worry about it other than Breakthrough Skilled Tellars, but BA kinda do. edit: I have no intention of continuing this conversation, all of this is stupid as s*** because this thread is meant to be about the MERITS of El Shaddoll Fusion as a card in certain decks, not about "game health" like everyone seems to be most interested about. I just wanted to point out factual inaccuracies.My bad on BA. And I'm not arguing game health, I'm tired of beating that horse, but I am comparing the usefulness of the two. A few weeks back this thing won me a match 2-0 against Volcanics by dodging attack response traps and making Winda against Scattershot plays. I think I activated it 7 or 8 times game 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Jesus funking Christ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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