玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 I mean, I only use the term "meta" as a classification thing for a collective of best decks in the format. I get it. Playing a low powered deck vs something like Nekroz feels incredibly unfair. Strictly seeing, meta refers to the competitive scene, both the decks and the people who play them. Also, let's keep in mind everyone chooses what deck they're playing, so if somebody complains about haing a bad matchup with a deck like Nekroz if they chose to play something low-powered, that's ridiculous. But I gotta ask a legit question: What f***ing deck you have to run nowadays to be low-powered? I mean, maybe Fluffals or Superheavies or whatever you're playing aren't nearly as powerful as Nekroz or Shaddolls or Burning Abyss is, alright, but the amount of good support all the current anime flavor decks are getting is just ridiculous. We're way past the days of fun casual decks being Neo-Spacians level of inconsistent.Photons, Gimmick Puppets, Jurracs... Keep in mind lots of people still play older decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Strictly seeing, meta refers to the competitive scene, both the decks and the people who play them. Also, let's keep in mind everyone chooses what deck they're playing, so if somebody complains about haing a bad matchup with a deck like Nekroz if they chose to play something low-powered, that's ridiculous.Exactly my point! If you know the tier 1 decks are out there, then build your deck against them. You can make a lot of things work nowadays if you just think a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Exactly my point! If you know the tier 1 decks are out there, then build your deck against them. You can make a lot of things work nowadays if you just think a bit.Another thing too I want to note is you don't have to stick to the formula of a Tier 1 Deck. Sometimes that archetype is flexible enough to have some fun with. Take my BA build for example. I have my fun by slipping those silly floaters with Darkness Neosphere and Dark Necrofear for the amusement of Neosphere's existence. Is it the best BA build? Probably not. Is it damn fun and hilarious? Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Exactly my point! If you know the tier 1 decks are out there, then build your deck against them. You can make a lot of things work nowadays if you just think a bit.Or just not get so bent out of shape over it. Honestly, some of the "casual" players are among the most aggressive and rude people I've ever met, game players or otherwise, and they're often far worse than the average meta competitor would be on their worst day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Or just not get so bent out of shape over it. Honestly, some of the "casual" players are among the most aggressive and rude people I've ever met, game players or otherwise, and they're often far worse than the average meta competitor would be on their worst day.Still not as bad as Hearthstone. Seriously, the literal and actual hatred towards some decks there is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Still not as bad as Hearthstone. Seriously, the literal and actual hatred towards some decks there is ridiculous.Oh I dunno. The comments by some DN or YGGOPro players are borderline abusive. I once tried to teach a guy the game at my locals and after 40 minutes of my being patient he accused me of cheating and trying to con him, to the point he even snapped at his girlfriend because she was defending me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Oh I dunno. The comments by some DN or YGGOPro players are borderline abusive. I once tried to teach a guy the game at my locals and after 40 minutes of my being patient he accused me of cheating and trying to con him, to the point he even snapped at his girlfriend because she was defending me. what the funk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 what the f***He apparently felt that I was lying when I said that no, attacking into his Spirit Reaper with my Grapha will not make me take 2700 damage for not being able to destroy his monster by battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 He apparently felt that I was lying when I said that no, attacking into his Spirit Reaper with my Grapha will not make me take 2700 damage for not being able to destroy his monster by battle. what the funk It's as my friend always says: "never doubt the stupidity of people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 It's as my friend always says: "never doubt the stupidity of people"Oh I don't, but it's especially frustrating when you're trying so very hard to be helpful to that person, because I wanted him to enjoy that game as much as I did. Suffice to say, he did not become a warmly welcomed face at my locals because they didn't appreciate the attitude he gave me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Regardless whether you deck is optimal or not, luck will always be the ultimate factor in deciding what you draw and whether you draw into what you need. Luck is love, luck is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ah, the eternal argument of competitive vs casual. Nothing is inherently wrong from being on either side, really. You can enjoy the game in any way you like. Just don't shun the other side for not following the definition of the game that you enjoy. Competitive players shunning the casual ones for not playing while taking account into the current metagame, or casuals complaining about the metagame that they don't even play in at times (and never really have to play in) and shunning the top decks for being stronger than their decks. It's honestly pretty silly. Also seriously, isn't this thread supposed to talk about Unicore and Nekroz in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Regardless whether you deck is optimal or not, luck will always be the ultimate factor in deciding what you draw and whether you draw into what you need. Luck is love, luck is life. Not if you run 35 pot of greeds and 5 Exodia or if you run 40 Larvae Moth. "Luck" is only a result of probability and you can stack the odds in your favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not if you run 35 pot of greeds and 5 Exodia or if you run 40 Larvae Moth. "Luck" is only a result of probability and you can stack the odds in your favour. We are but the puppets bound to the strings of fate. Denying this will ultimately cause those who defy fate to fall off of a dead-ended cliff. Never fight against fate, so says the fatalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ah, the eternal argument of competitive vs casual. Nothing is inherently wrong from being on either side, really. You can enjoy the game in any way you like. Just don't shun the other side for not following the definition of the game that you enjoy. Competitive players shunning the casual ones for not playing while taking account into the current metagame, or casuals complaining about the metagame that they don't even play in at times (and never really have to play in) and shunning the top decks for being stronger than their decks. It's honestly pretty silly. Also seriously, isn't this thread supposed to talk about Unicore in general?It doesn't seem like it. It presented itself as a rant about Konami and how they have failed to hit Nekroz like apparrently they should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Also seriously, isn't this thread supposed to talk about Unicore in general?There's very little to say that Black didn't requote from himself in the past: it's a good card in what should just be a good deck but turns into something great because of thee circumstances surrounding its creation. Not if you run 35 pot of greeds and 5 Exodia or if you run 40 Larvae Moth. "Luck" is only a result of probability and you can stack the odds in your favour. ...Yeah, but probability will still always play a part in things, especially since this is a two-player game with imperfect information and randomisation involved (which, btw, is why attempts to compare Yugioh to Chess fall flat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 But really, isn't it like already way offtopic right now? The discussion of whether Konami hit Nekroz too leniently or not and whether Unicore should be hit or not, isn't it what the thread is meant to, looking at the first page? The discussion of competitive vs casual outlook of the game is one thing, but right now the topic has strayed way too far from the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 But really, isn't it like already way offtopic right now? The discussion of whether Konami hit Nekroz too leniently or not and whether Unicore should be hit or not, isn't it what the thread is meant to, looking at the first page? The discussion of competitive vs casual outlook of the game is one thing, but right now the topic has strayed way too far from the original post.Konami have already explained why they only hit Nekroz as much as they did - The Djinn Lock was a format-warping cancer, and they wanted to take it out of the equation to see how things resolved without it there. That's why the list was so light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Even without Chain and Djinn, a ju into scope unicore is crazy efficient for rank four, especially considering the deck has many options without even using the extra deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Konami have already explained why they only hit Nekroz as much as they did - The Djinn Lock was a format-warping cancer, and they wanted to take it out of the equation to see how things resolved without it there. That's why the list was so light. Yes. I'm not asking about it, it's already been pretty clear for a while. I'm just wondering why people can't stay relatively on topic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Even without Chain and Djinn, a ju into scope unicore is crazy efficient for rank four, especially considering the deck has many options without even using the extra deck.Yes it is, but not being able to auto-win with it makes a huge difference, especialy since Unicore is so strong against RNK4s anyway. Yes. I'm not asking about it, it's already been pretty clear for a while. I'm just wondering why people can't stay relatively on topic here.The OP took a very clear stance on how they felt about the current Meta, in no small part because of Nekroz, which led to people talking about the meta, which sequed into the inevitable meta/casual dichotomy, which segued into unpleasable playerbase. It's quite a linear thought process really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 To be honest, Djinn-lock was far from an autowin. It is not difficult to break, and unless you were also able to make valkyrus you are left at a large disadvantage that could lose you the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 ...Yeah, but probability will still always play a part in things, especially since this is a two-player game with imperfect information and randomisation involved (which, btw, is why attempts to compare Yugioh to Chess fall flat). If you played chess properly, you would know that you can never let your opponent see your pieces. As for Djinn lock, when you see people start playing Book of Eclipse solely because of it, you know there's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 I am not saying Djinn lock was anything near balanced. Just saying it wasn't an auto-win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 If you played chess properly, you would know that you can never let your opponent see your pieces.Chess is a game of perfect information. All the pieces are visible on the board, and the opponent gets to see the other player's move before making their own. You cannot "hide your pieces" forever since eventually a good chess player will catch on to your strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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