Maeriberii Haan Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 '2 or more Xyz Monsters with the same Rank(This card is always treated as a Rank 1 monster.)Xyz Materials of the monsters used to summon this card is also attached to this card. Once per turn, you can discard 1 card; Xyz Summon 1 DARK Xyz Monster from your Extra Deck using this card as Xyz Material (Xyz Materials attached to this card is also attached to the Xyz Summoned monster), then during the End Phase, Xyz Summon this card using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material. If this card is targeted for an attack or card effect, detach 1 Xyz Material from this card instead. So...yeah. Thinking that to keep my mind occupied without stressing myself out, I'm going to try once again in posting a card in CC every day. Well, about this card...there's some interactions that I'm still unsure of. Things like Ghostrick Angel of Mischief, Heroic Champion Rhongomyniad, Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon (which is what this card intends to support tbh), Chaos Chimera Dragon, and D/D/D Twin Dawn Overlord Kali Yuga. So yeah. Sooo...critics and comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohob Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 the effect of un-summoning the summoned monster seems a little bit oddly worded, but i'm not sure how i would word it and i dont think theres really any cards that do something like that in the game. does this card retain its Xyz materials and you just send the top card to the grave? (or back to the extra deck? or maybe put it from the top of the Xyz pile on the bottom?) or do you detach all materials and then re-summon this card with no materials attached? idk it just seems confusing to me. also "If this card is targeted for an attack or card effect, detach 1 Xyz Material from this card instead." is automatic and i would consider changing it to "you can detach 1 xyz material" rather than being forced to, otherwise your opponent can zerg out a bunch of 0/0 tokens and force-detach all your materials with them, unless of course that was an option you intended.i can see a few potential abuse cases looking at the roster of dark Xyz's, but again those depend on the nature of the re-summoning of this card, and to what degree this card ignores the summoning conditions of the monsters it summons. (for example, repetitively summoning gimmick puppet disaster leo with no additional attached cards could be a real... DISASTER (get it because he has disaster in his name))I like the card tho its pretty interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I'm confused.The first part of the effect is just basic rank-up.How does this work though? >>> then during the End Phase, Xyz Summon this card using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material.Does it basically "remove" this card (Flower of the Vacuum) and then Xyz summon it back over the card that you chose to Rank Up this original card into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I'm confused.The first part of the effect is just basic rank-up.How does this work though? >>> then during the End Phase, Xyz Summon this card using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material.Does it basically "remove" this card (Flower of the Vacuum) and then Xyz summon it back over the card that you chose to Rank Up this original card into? Yeah, something like that. Basically it is Xyz Summoning Rumia while she is attached to the DARK Xyz she Xyz-evolved/Ranked up into. The card text needs a bit of work though, perhaps something like this? Xyz Summon 1 DARK Xyz Monster from your Extra Deck by using this face-up card you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to this card also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.), also during the End Phase, while this card is attached to that monster, Xyz Summon this card by using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 the effect of un-summoning the summoned monster seems a little bit oddly worded, but i'm not sure how i would word it and i dont think theres really any cards that do something like that in the game. does this card retain its Xyz materials and you just send the top card to the grave? (or back to the extra deck? or maybe put it from the top of the Xyz pile on the bottom?) or do you detach all materials and then re-summon this card with no materials attached? idk it just seems confusing to me. also "If this card is targeted for an attack or card effect, detach 1 Xyz Material from this card instead." is automatic and i would consider changing it to "you can detach 1 xyz material" rather than being forced to, otherwise your opponent can zerg out a bunch of 0/0 tokens and force-detach all your materials with them, unless of course that was an option you intended.i can see a few potential abuse cases looking at the roster of dark Xyz's, but again those depend on the nature of the re-summoning of this card, and to what degree this card ignores the summoning conditions of the monsters it summons. (for example, repetitively summoning gimmick puppet disaster leo with no additional attached cards could be a real... DISASTER (get it because he has disaster in his name))I like the card tho its pretty interesting Well, Disaster Leo's not a valid target for it since it can only be summoned by ranking up Destiny Leo with a spell. This card doesn't really ignore conditions, only the material requirements. Yeah, the wording on the end phase swap really needs to be fixed, and I just realized that if you summon Dark Matter Dragon you can't really summon this back due to Dark Matter's effect. This card does retain its Xyz Material when resummoned since the first effect still applies to when it Xyz Summons itself too. And yeah, the force-detach is intentional. I'm confused.The first part of the effect is just basic rank-up.How does this work though? >>> then during the End Phase, Xyz Summon this card using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material.Does it basically "remove" this card (Flower of the Vacuum) and then Xyz summon it back over the card that you chose to Rank Up this original card into? Yeah, something like that. Basically it is Xyz Summoning Rumia while she is attached to the DARK Xyz she Xyz-evolved/Ranked up into. The card text needs a bit of work though, perhaps something like this? Xyz Summon 1 DARK Xyz Monster from your Extra Deck by using this face-up card you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to this card also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.), also during the End Phase, while this card is attached to that monster, Xyz Summon this card by using the Xyz Summoned monster as its Xyz Material (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.) Yep, pretty much what Voltex said. I guess I'll also word it like what you said to make things clearer. Was aiming to bypass having to clarify things twice by attributing the material's state to the first effect, but that seems to be very rife with issues. Thanks for the comments~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Wouldn't it make more sense if you it just Xyz'd into another copy of itself, instead of simply re-arranging the pile of cards that is it's Xyz Materials?Plus, by the way it's worded now, how would it work if you detached This card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Wouldn't it make more sense if you it just Xyz'd into another copy of itself, instead of simply re-arranging the pile of cards that is it's Xyz Materials?Plus, by the way it's worded now, how would it work if you detached This card? Yeaaaaaaaah, it won't really work if you detached this card. I should really state that it'll only work if it stays as Xyz Material. Though thing is, the end phase swap is meant to be a pseudo-weakness of the card. If you're required to run other copies of the card to get the swap, might as well not and keep the benefits of having...let's say, Heart-Earth Dragon or something similar that you'd like to keep on the field. And in general it'd just require you to strain your ED deck slot further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yeaaaaaaaah, it won't really work if you detached this card. I should really state that it'll only work if it stays as Xyz Material. Though thing is, the end phase swap is meant to be a pseudo-weakness of the card. If you're required to run other copies of the card to get the swap, might as well not and keep the benefits of having...let's say, Heart-Earth Dragon or something similar that you'd like to keep on the field. And in general it'd just require you to strain your ED deck slot further.But how would the Extra Deck exactly matter, when you are playing enough Xyzs that you would willingly use as fodder for This card/assuming you would keep Materials on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 But how would the Extra Deck exactly matter, when you are playing enough Xyzs that you would willingly use as fodder for This card/assuming you would keep Materials on them? Well, I think most of the decks that can run this would still like a lot of the other potential options they can summon from the ED. it's like how you don't dedicate every ED slot for Ultimaya, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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