Atypical-Abbie Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 A quite unusual card, it Special Summons itself to the opponent's side of the field by Tributing everything on the field, then it makes both players' LP the same based on the ATK of those monsters. I also put in that it you take no damage so you won't be able to quickly kill your opponent this way. Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) to your opponnet’s side of the field while your LP are at least 2000 lower than your opponent‘s by Tributing all monsters on the field (min 1. from each side of the field), and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. If Summoned this way: Both players’ LP become equal to the combined ATK of all those Tributed monsters. You take no damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Assuming the field is empty- Special Summon This: Tribute both it and the Token for This. This makes both layer's LP 1600. Summon This: Do something to boost Hellhorror by 100, and attack for game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Assuming the field is empty-Special Summon This:Tribute both it and the Token for This.This makes both layer's LP 1600.Summon This:Do something to boost Hellhorror by 100, and attack for game?Well, there is a problem there. Maybe if I make sure I exclude Tokens? Or maybe I just make it any damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well, there is a problem there. Maybe if I make sure I exclude Tokens? Or maybe I just make it any damage.That move is inconsistent as funk, so why would you care? But if you were really that worried, then do this: SEND the monsters to the Graveyard >>>> Tribute them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 That move is inconsistent as funk, so why would you care?But if you were really that worried, then do this:SEND the monsters to the Graveyard >>>> Tribute themStill feels pretty cheap and it's not really what I meant the card for. I don't want to see Decks that just do that use this card, that would be lame. As for that idea, could work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowsapex Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well, there is a problem there. Maybe if I make sure I exclude Tokens? Or maybe I just make it any damage. Yeah, those sound fine. I'd also suggest a 'You cannot special summon other monsters the turn you ss this'. Whatever restrictions that you think it needs.Personally, I think this decreases both player's LP too quickly for something you can get out by the first turn. And there are plenty of OTKs that can happen. Direct attacking, or just getting rid of this card, or attacking over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Still feels pretty cheap and it's not really what I meant the card for. I don't want to see Decks that just do that use this card, that would be lame. As for that idea, could work too.Then just make it Send the monsters to the Graveyard, instead of Tributing them, as I suggested; You can't Send Tokens to the Graveyard, ergo, you can't use Tokens. They would simply stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Tribute only monsters with 0 ATK --> duel ends in a draw Even if you make it unable to remove/Tribute Tokens, there are always dirty tricks like Shien's Spy and giving your opponent a 0 ATK monster while you control another one. Would it be inconsistent? yes; but to where I'm going at is that the LP-changing effect depending on the Tributed monster's ATK has more issues than it appears: from drastically reducing both player's LP early game and enable OTKs, to outright ending it in a draw. If what you want with this effect is to hurt both player's LP, I suggest to approach it through a different way (burn, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Tribute only monsters with 0 ATK --> duel ends in a draw Even if you make it unable to remove/Tribute Tokens, there are always dirty tricks like Shien's Spy and giving your opponent a 0 ATK monster while you control another one. Would it be inconsistent? yes; but to where I'm going at is that the LP-changing effect depending on the Tributed monster's ATK has more issues than it appears: from drastically reducing both player's LP early game and enable OTKs, to outright ending it in a draw. If what you want with this effect is to hurt both player's LP, I suggest to approach it through a different way (burn, etc.)Well, you do have to get monsters out that give that first, which can be hard then it sounds. I want the card to make LP become something, that was the original intend, making it another burn card is boring. I will try to figure out a way to make it more balanced tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Why not instead of "become" you just do a simple gain/loss, or set a min amount that the LP can become? (Which can be done by either making it so this card also has to tribute so the total attack of the tributes is, at minimum, [insert fair value here], or just directly stating the min value on the card) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Made some changes, you can't ram into it anymore and made it so you can't do first turn stuff as easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowsapex Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It's still a problem. There are plenty of cards that make you pay 2000 LP (Burst Rebirth, Chaos Trap Hole, Injection Fairy Lily) allowing you to drop this fairly easily. Also may I propose an upgrade to Armz's little combo above. Lose 2k LPSS MithraTribute for HellhorrorPlay Owner's Seal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arimetal Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Nvm this, misread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It's still a problem. There are plenty of cards that make you pay 2000 LP (Burst Rebirth, Chaos Trap Hole, Injection Fairy Lily) allowing you to drop this fairly easily. Also may I propose an upgrade to Armz's little combo above. Lose 2k LPSS MithraTribute for HellhorrorPlay Owner's SealWell yes, Owner's Seal will always be a problem with cards that work this way. I think it's fine now, you still have to do some work to get this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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