Progenitor Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 This format is DEFINED by going pretty much all in. And this is good why? Honestly we should be thanking Konami for attempting to fix this cancer instead of bashing them for making a fair one for one that solves much of our problems. I AGREE WITH YOU. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A GOOD THING. REMEMBER THIS: I think this card, and the other solemns as well, are perfectly fine in a slower format. A format that's somewhat backrow heavy. You know, like when the game first started? When the game was all about summoning something, defending it with backrow, then tributing it to summon something better? Or did you skip over that? but what the format is/isn't is not what this topic is. FOR THE LAST TIME, make your own discussion about that. I'm sure plenty of people want to give some input, and since you're all discussing the same thing, you might actually make some productive process. ALL THAT WAS SAYING is that you CAN'T 180 A FORMAT. It has to be a progressive change. You can't just RKO everything out of nowhere, and that's exactly what this card does. Its initial impact is going to be felt everywhere, and with astounding force. And people are either going to (A) Play denko and more easy backrow hate to play the current format OR (B) people will begin to play overall slower decks so that the impact is not nearly as hard. Giving the option of (A) is NOT, IN MY OPINION, what this game needs in order to reach option (B). If the change was gradual, with several cards/archetypes, then (A) wouldn't even be considered. But now people are going to exclusively try to stop this one card from affecting their spam for game, rather than play around the many roadblocks in their way. Now, PLEASE. Just stop trying to argue this. I don't really want to. I'm not saying I've won. I just want this pointless sheet to either stop or move elsewhere. Reading through the 5 pages of this thread has been agony when I literally just wanted to post a generic opinion about the card, but felt I should hear what everyone had to say first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 This format is DEFINED by going pretty much all in. And this is good why? Honestly we should be thanking Konami for attempting to fix this cancer instead of bashing them for making a fair one for one that solves much of our problems. The only way to "fix" it is to gradually change the nature of the cards and archetypes they release; they've tried doing it cold-turkey before with the archetypes in Judgment of the Light to Shadow Specters, and those weren't very successful (relatively speaking), IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 I like how it can answer Maxx "c" and Veiler, tho I suppose scolding does the same things. It's definitely a staple at 3, but even the trap heavy decks still need to be able to take advantage of the free turn it provides in the early game. They usually don't have the resources to do so, with the exception of Majespecter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 You should take out Warning, Judgment, and w/e traptrix card you're running in m&m's for this. The rando running Reborn or the kind isn't good enough to justify those two over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Wait, so God is putting Forbidden Girl on notice? How Stephen Colbert of him. _____________________________________________________ Not seeing an issue with this card. It stops a game-ending Pendulum Summoning. Neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Incoming super short print secret rare 150$ card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackelgull Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 This is pretty devastating to the current format, but I don't think it is outright broken. It is a one time negation and not a continuous f you. This isn't the perfect well balanced pendulum counter, but I see no problem running this at two. It would be better off if it wasn't a spell speed three so one could at least respond to it (Well, I disagree with the spell speed rules in general, but that is a different beast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 This is pretty devastating to the current format, but I don't think it is outright broken. It is a one time negation and not a continuous f you. This isn't the perfect well balanced pendulum counter, but I see no problem running this at two. It would be better off if it wasn't a spell speed three so one could at least respond to it (Well, I disagree with the spell speed rules in general, but that is a different beast).Except continuous would mean it's slower, can be popped before it can be resolved, so on and so forth.This is a single practically uncounterable top-speed negation with a laughably cheap cost to completely ruin a play, and possibly game-changing.Also, like mentioned before, just having this one single card would forcefully slow down the game a silly amount. Yeah no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 You should take out Warning, Judgment, and w/e traptrix card you're running in m&m's for this. The rando running Reborn or the kind isn't good enough to justify those two over thisI haven't seen an EMem play Reborn funnily enough. taking your post at face value, if you are swapping the few traps EMem runs for play sets of Notice, the percentage of seeing a trap remains the same (actually lower because you no longer can Rafflessia off 2 L4s) so as far as technical play goes nothing changes, you are still playing around your opponent's sets via DireWolf/Trapeze Magician or not committing the board (Jigabyte + Conductor, PendS floaters, PendS 1 monster at a time). Even then it seems like Notice is a little narrow compared to the Solemn cards legal in OCG, Notice still allows:-Normal Summons-Joker hits the Extra Deck-Denkoamong a few other small things, i don't think Notice and Judgment/Warning are mutually exclusive This is what I mean by mostly trap decks benefitting from this card. They have the narrow traps to swap out for Notice to increase the overall strength of its traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Reborn is rare. A personal tech much like GUB. I like it because it can reignite clown, most others will pass it aside for the solemn brigade or a third eyes You make a fair point, but Crobat rapidly loses utility due to just being another lv4 body unless you want to DDV it with an attack boost, which in turn is largely a G2 deal. Denko is sided at best for the BA mirror and a poor choice there due to Skill Drain. However you are correct in that it doesn't completely replace warning and Judgement. I do see it replace scolding and rafflesia's treacherous and time space trap hole though. Maybe it won't, but this card is amazingly good. M&m's aside. TeleDAD returns anyone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 A pertinent OCG question to ask is: Will this even make a dent in EmEm's reign of terror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 A pertinent OCG question to ask is: Will this even make a dent in EmEm's reign of terror?M&m's isn't even the top deck anymore Will it put a dent in BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 It actually makes the EMem vs BA matchup much harder for EMem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Well regular horn can stop normal summons too and they're running that ATM. Might not see play unless you think they'd replace skill drain??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I'm more so curious to why this card sparked so much hostility ITT. Its pretty much the anti pendulum solemn. Of course its really damn good but as with all solemn it's not going to stay at 3 forever. Probably a staple for ocg considering the clownpal decks running around. I'd hope it stays at 3 until that deck dies down a little but that's up to konami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Well regular horn can stop normal summons too and they're running that ATM. Might not see play unless you think they'd replace skill drain???Torrential Tribute actually There's also the fact that this card in the EMem deck isn't good vs BA, multiple Dante can push past at a plus for them and wit 1500 less puts you much closer to 2k, nor does it answer their traps at all (it's significantly worse going second). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Torrential Tribute actuallyIt's not that common actully. Maybe 50% of the decks run it. Monarchs are the ones gonna get hit by it IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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