Forest Fire Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (This card's original Rank is always treated as 12.) This card must be Special Summoned by it's effect, and cannot be Summoned other ways. Target up to 2 Xyz Monsters you control whose combined Ranks equal 15 or more, with at least 3 Xyz Materials each; Xyz Summon this card using those targets as Xyz Materials. This card's Summon cannot be negated and card's and effects cannot be activated in response to it's Summon, also it is unaffected by other card effects. This card gains effects based on the number of Xyz Materials with different names attached to it.● 2 or more: Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; banish 1 card on the field.● 4 or more: This card's original ATK and DEF are doubled.● 6 or more: Any card sent to your opponent's Graveyard is banished instead. Simon Dubuc is the artistic. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 well, the art's definitely good, but the effect is clearly OP. it's summon can't even be stopped so there's essentially nothing you can do about it once it hits field. it's like towers and that superquantum gundam thing had a broken baby. the only saving grace is that it can be killed by battle and the summoning condition is somewhat hard to fulfill in the average deck, but it's nowhere near hard enough to justify the sheer power of it's effects. any deck running utopia and RUM can drop this with relative ease thanks to 99 being a thing. (also raidraptors, dear god raidraptors) no offense, but i believe this belongs in the joke cards section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 edits. now only galaxy: two of their 3 mats; trains (if they play a rank 5 with 3 or more mats, idk); or super quantum (double magnus, at which point this would just be silly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Requiring at least 3 already established Xyzs and to have them all be 3 material Xyzs with all their materials unused is asking for waaaay too much. Then it asks for 15+ Ranks total so the bare minimum sizes demanded are 3 Rank 5 triple material Xyzs. It is a 6000 ATK Dark Law with an OPT banishing effect... If the materials are that unreasonable you can give it full effect immunity while at it. The effort required for this could very well win you the game in more stable ways anyways so as is I'd still keep my separate Xyzs to push. Not even the current best Xyz-related legal deck in the game right now could make this card. Now for my suggestions: Bring its ATK lower. To around 2000 to 2300 ATK tops so it can double up to 4600 instead of 6000. Your requirements "as is" already will give it a minimum of 12 materials anyways, though I'm gonna suggest you edit those too. Make it so that it doesn't need its materials to have materials in them, this way you can actually use your material Xyzs's effects before converging them all into this, and can take advantage of revival effects for Xyzs to work towards making this thing. It'll also allow it to have less materials. The way you currently have it, you'll have so many materials in it and it is so gigantic that you'll win or it'll get removed before it gets low enough for the material counting effects to even matter. The minimum materials you require currently make it obligatory to always have max the effects, but material counting unlockable effects are supposed to be there as an option to bring it out in a more cheap way with less power when you are low on resources to bring it out to full power, but your card is not currently working like that... In fact, even if all Xyzs used on it had 0 materials on them, your 15+ requirement already guarantees that using Rank 5 or lower materials will often at least unlock the 4+ effect. With the above changes, it could afford to have the effect immunity I suggested, but with restrictions. Otherwise it is big but not worth using multiple Xyzs on it. Something along the lines of either:A ) This card is unaffected by card effects during your Main Phase/Battle Phase.B ) This card is unaffected by card effects during your opponent's Main Phase.C ) If this card would be affected by a card effect, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, and if you do, it is not affected. (yes no semi colon, a continuous effect like Maestroke's protection). Or something like that.I'm overall not against strong reward/harder to play, kind of cards. All cards have that sort of power curve in them. And yes, the art is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Requiring at least 3 already established Xyzs and to have them all be 3 material Xyzs with all their materials unused is asking for waaaay too much. Then it asks for 15+ Ranks total so the bare minimum sizes demanded are 3 Rank 5 triple material Xyzs. It is a 6000 ATK Dark Law with an OPT banishing effect... If the materials are that unreasonable you can give it full effect immunity while at it. The effort required for this could very well win you the game in more stable ways anyways so as is I'd still keep my separate Xyzs to push. Not even the current best Xyz-related legal deck in the game right now could make this card. Now for my suggestions: Bring its ATK lower. To around 2000 to 2300 ATK tops so it can double up to 4600 instead of 6000. Your requirements "as is" already will give it a minimum of 12 materials anyways, though I'm gonna suggest you edit those too. Make it so that it doesn't need its materials to have materials in them, this way you can actually use your material Xyzs's effects before converging them all into this, and can take advantage of revival effects for Xyzs to work towards making this thing. It'll also allow it to have less materials. The way you currently have it, you'll have so many materials in it and it is so gigantic that you'll win or it'll get removed before it gets low enough for the material counting effects to even matter. The minimum materials you require currently make it obligatory to always have max the effects, but material counting unlockable effects are supposed to be there as an option to bring it out in a more cheap way with less power when you are low on resources to bring it out to full power, but your card is not currently working like that... In fact, even if all Xyzs used on it had 0 materials on them, your 15+ requirement already guarantees that using Rank 5 or lower materials will often at least unlock the 4+ effect. With the above changes, it could afford to have the effect immunity I suggested, but with restrictions. Otherwise it is big but not worth using multiple Xyzs on it. Something along the lines of either: A ) This card is unaffected by card effects during your Main Phase/Battle Phase. B ) This card is unaffected by card effects during your opponent's Main Phase. C ) If this card would be affected by a card effect, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, and if you do, it is not affected. (yes no semi colon, a continuous effect like Maestroke's protection). Or something like that. I'm overall not against strong reward/harder to play, kind of cards. All cards have that sort of power curve in them. And yes, the art is cool. also it is unaffected by other card effects.Also it requires 2 Xyz monsters to equal 15. so i think the 3000 atk is fine. and so is the 'no' to other effects. I don't really want to tone down the conditions, cause that would mean removing some of the over the top-ness. you'll also note that this now has no way of gaining mats. it has what it starts with. and i have a problem with just letting this be put on top of any rank 7+8. ...... it's too powerful. but i like how powerful it is. it's the absurd you want to use it but you're never going to kind of powerful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Also it requires 2 Xyz monsters to equal 15. so i think the 3000 atk is fine. and so is the 'no' to other effects.I don't really want to tone down the conditions, cause that would mean removing some of the over the top-ness. you'll also note that this now has no way of gaining mats. it has what it starts with. and i have a problem with just letting this be put on top of any rank 7+8. ...... it's too powerful. but i like how powerful it is. it's the absurd you want to use it but you're never going to kind of powerful Oh the effect immunity was already there? I was sure I re-read it to make sure it wasn't... my bad. It's over the top but it is also pretty much unplayable too... Wait a minute. Speaking of misreading. Does it say "up to 2"? I can't think of any decks that can possibly use it in the game other than something using Dark Matter Dragon.... and even then, 3+materials each is still not gonna happen for the second material most of the time. I guess it is very slightly possible and that's all it really needs to be. I don't understand what you say about having a problem with just letting this be put on top of any rank 7+8, isn't that pretty much the only way it is gonna be made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Oh the effect immunity was already there? I was sure I re-read it to make sure it wasn't... my bad. It's over the top but it is also pretty much unplayable too... Wait a minute. Speaking of misreading. Does it say "up to 2"? I can't think of any decks that can possibly use it in the game other than something using Dark Matter Dragon.... and even then, 3+materials each is still not gonna happen for the second material most of the time. I guess it is very slightly possible and that's all it really needs to be. I don't understand what you say about having a problem with just letting this be put on top of any rank 7+8, isn't that pretty much the only way it is gonna be made?i mean 2 mat vs 3. it's significantly easier to do dracosack and felgrad than.... double dark matter for instance (or it is in my mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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