Painful Choice (errata)

[Monarch King]

 

 

Excavate the top 5 cards of your Deck, then your opponent selects and adds 1 of them to your hand, also, after that, shuffle the rest back into your Deck. You can only activate 1 "Painful Choice" per turn.

 

 

With this errata, Painful Choice should return to 3.

[Toffee.]

So..... It's effectivly a gimmicky version of Upstart Goblin, that has no real downside to it?

You'd play This in Exodia, for starters, because it's just another +0 card that thins the Deck.

 

You could, like, have This card Banish face-down the cards that weren't chosen. Would make it more of a crucial decision, regarding the potentially revealed cards.

[ENMaker]

It's a Pot of Duality that lets your opponent choose in exchange for allowing you to special summon. It'd be fine as an idea as a different card but not as an errata because it changes the card completely.

 

Painful Choice is something that can't be errata'd while keeping with the idea of it because the game has moved to a point where putting things in the graveyard is advantageous rather than something you wanted to avoid back when the card was made. It will stay banned forever unless we come full circle, and it should remain there on the banlist as a symbol of what not to do when making a card rather than switching it out for a crap thing and forgetting the mistakes already made.

[UltimateIRS]

This isn't an erratum, this is a completely different card. It's more like a Pot of Duality that has the opponent choose, but doesn't bar Special Summons.

 

It could be interesting on its own merits, but to call it a Painful Choice erratum is dishonest.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's a quicker Kuribandit? Make it add in EP

[UltimateIRS]

It's a quicker Kuribandit? Make it add in EP

 

No, this has the opponent choose and doesn't send the rest of the cards to the Graveyard.

[ENMaker]

It's a quicker Kuribandit? Make it add in EP

 

This isn't even a powerful effect, your opponent chooses one of five random cards and you shuffle the rest back whereas Kuribandit mills 5 guaranteed and lets you choose the card. If this added at the End Phase it would be utterly useless.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No, this has the opponent choose and doesn't send the rest of the cards to the Graveyard.

Exactly, make it excavate 5, opponent chooses one and adds it in the EP. Shuffle or Banish rest

This isn't even a powerful effect, your opponent chooses one of five random cards and you shuffle the rest back whereas Kuribandit mills 5 guaranteed and lets you choose the card. If this added at the End Phase it would be utterly useless.

Kuribandit was deadly enough to merit a limit OCG side

[ENMaker]

Kuribandit was deadly enough to merit a limit OCG side

 

And...? I didn't say it wasn't good, I was actually pointing out the way in which its far better than this and was using it as the basis for saying this doesn't need to be weakened further by not adding until the end of the turn.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

And...? I didn't say it wasn't good, I was actually pointing out the way in which its far better than this and was using it as the basis for saying this doesn't need to be weakened further by not adding until the end of the turn.

Bandit is a monster and thus far more vulnerable than a spell could ever hope to be.

[UltimateIRS]

Exactly, make it excavate 5, opponent chooses one and adds it in the EP. Shuffle or Banish rest

 

Kuribandit was deadly enough to merit a limit OCG side

 

This isn't Kuribandit. It's Upstart Goblin, except it's the worst of five random cards rather than just one random card.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This isn't Kuribandit. It's Upstart Goblin, except it's the worst of five random cards rather than just one random card.

And upstart should be limited for being a degenerate method of running 37 cards too

[Monarch King]

So would all of you agree if i would make send the rest cards to the Graveyard instead of shuffle them into the Deck?

[ENMaker]

Bandit is a monster and thus far more vulnerable than a spell could ever hope to be.

 

Are you missing the fact that this shuffles the other cards back in and not mills them or what.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Are you missing the fact that this shuffles the other cards back in and not mills them or what.

I'm saying make it mill or banish, but at the EP

[ENMaker]

So would all of you agree if i would make send the rest cards to the Graveyard instead of shuffle them into the Deck?

 

Dear god no. We don't need a mill 4 add 1 that requires no set-up at all. That's making it Kuribandit the monster.

[UltimateIRS]

And upstart should be limited for being a degenerate method of running 37 cards too

 

See, I'm pointing out that it's worse than Upstart Goblin. Because rather than just drawing one, it strictly gives you the worst of five random cards.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Make it mill 5. Opp adds one. No special summon.

[Monarch King]

This isn't an erratum, this is a completely different card. It's more like a Pot of Duality that has the opponent choose, but doesn't bar Special Summons.

 

It could be interesting on its own merits, but to call it a Painful Choice erratum is dishonest.

With the same logic, Exchange of the Spirit and RoD did not get an errata but they became completely different cards.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not really, both izhizu and kaiba had 15 cards in grave when she used it I the anime. And only one was used ever so there's the OPD.

 

When was Rod ever used on a persons own monster or to make a draw or on their turn? Never.

 

Those errata stayed faithful to the source

[ENMaker]

Ring of Destruction was the only good errata. Exchange and Temple of the Kings became complete shit, Crush Card can be useful against certain decks but is largely bad now. Nobody endorsed these, they were by and large nerfing classic cards just to clear banlist space for whatever reason, and I'm not a fan of it at all.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Ring of Destruction was the only good errata. Exchange and Temple of the Kings became complete shit, Crush Card can be useful against certain decks but is largely bad now. Nobody endorsed these, they were by and large nerfing classic cards just to clear banlist space for whatever reason, and I'm not a fan of it at all.

You being a fan is immaterial. Just because something is not Pendulum Wizard Level doesn't devalue it. Anyway monarchs ran EOS for a while. Cleaning up banlist space is a good idea anyway

[Monarch King]

Not really, both izhizu and kaiba had 15 cards in grave when she used it I the anime. And only one was used ever so there's the OPD.

 

When was Rod ever used on a persons own monster or to make a draw or on their turn? Never.

 

Those errata stayed faithful to the source

and what about Crush Card.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

and what about Crush Card.

Crush card in he anime never searched the hand for 3 turns. It killed the deck. I think you should be able to choose which monsters to kill from the deck, but that would make it too strong. DMOC and CED were good erratas too

[ENMaker]

You being a fan is immaterial. Just because something is not Pendulum Wizard Level doesn't devalue it. Anyway monarchs ran EOS for a while. Cleaning up banlist space is a good idea anyway

 

Now you're just deliberately misconstruing me, Exchange and Temple are inarguably not remotely good in their new form, it's not about relative strength they are both objectively bad cards now. There's no reason to go completely changing effects to clear up banlist "space" because that's a completely arbitrary statement, there is no minimum or maximum size for the banlist and there's nothing inherently wrong with having it get larger as more and more cards come to exist in the game, it's the logical progression.