epicmemesbro Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/george-takei-calls-out-donald-trump-for-japanese-internment-comments-w159401 In Time magazine Trump was asked if he thought the Japanese internment camps during WWII violated American values. He responded that although he had to be there in order to decide that he did say that sometimes hard decisions had to be made to win and that America no longer wins wars. Geoege Takei, known for his appearance in the Star Trek original series, was in an internment camp when he was young during WWII and was not pleased with his comments. Do you guys think the Japanese Internment camps where justifiable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 They were not. Responding to a possible threat by punishing everyone from one group is a terrible plan. Not only does it cost money, and is a generally inhumane thing to do to innocent people, it doesn't really work well. Like, those actual problem people are still going to try and find ways to do it. Maybe somewhat harder but it doesn't stop it totally. And in fact could foster hatred in those who didn't have it before.Plus I mean...if we start locking up entire groups because some of them might do something bad, we should basically lock everyone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Trump is just becoming more and more of the antithesis of what America is trying to stand for. I'm not a history expert, but the Japanese internment camps were an unjustified action to take only due to paranoia and possible racism. There was barely any evidence of espionage, and this only severed the ties between Japanese Americans and Americans much more. It was one of the first times this thing has happened where America has decided to pit themselves against their enemy in a hard time, but discrimination was a cost to boost every other American's morale to fight against the enemy and those who have similar origins. We didn't need it, they didn't need it, and lots of money went down the drain as well as reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 In war, nobody wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 You know what? I hope Trump becomes president. I really hope he does now. This is utterly ridiculous. Anybody taking anything Trump has said in the past year and a half seriously needs to rethink their decisions. The only thing Trump meant to accomplish from this whole farce is publicity. Which, by the way, he got in spades. The guy is mentioned every five seconds on every news cast and his net worth has climbed 20%. Takei should know better, all of these people should know better. People have taken everything he has said and done way too seriously and in the end, he walks away laughing. He doesn't care if the publicity is negative or positive, just as long as he gets it. Trump wasn't f*cking relevant until everybody started taking his random, out of nowhere, die-hard hick views seriously. It's like these people can't tell a genuine troll when they see one... I hope he wins. Not just to see Trump realize he's been elected when that wasn't his original plan, but also as commupits to every person who gave this attention-whoring moron publicity and relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 You know what? I hope Trump becomes president. I really hope he does now. This is utterly ridiculous. Anybody taking anything Trump has said in the past year and a half seriously needs to rethink their decisions. The only thing Trump meant to accomplish from this whole farce is publicity. Which, by the way, he got in spades. The guy is mentioned every five seconds on every news cast and his net worth has climbed 20%. Takei should know better, all of these people should know better. People have taken everything he has said and done way too seriously and in the end, he walks away laughing. He doesn't care if the publicity is negative or positive, just as long as he gets it. Trump wasn't f*cking relevant until everybody started taking his random, out of nowhere, die-hard hick views seriously. It's like these people can't tell a genuine troll when they see one... I hope he wins. Not just to see Trump realize he's been elected when that wasn't his original plan, but also as commupits to every person who gave this attention-whoring moron publicity and relevance.Where do you get this information that he's just trolling and not seriously believing this? What if you're wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 They are a shame to American History, but they may have prevented another attack on American soil. I feel order 9066 was poorly handled and more humanity could have been shown. It was a necessary evil in the time of war, where like Polaris said, nobody can win. Their property should have been taken care of better. They should not have been carted off like animals. They should have been given a certain degree of comfort befit the american they were. It was largely a shame, but some form of it was needed. Again, it so easy to say 9066 was wrong, when we look back at over 50 years, if you had lost a loved one at PH, and then seen what the Axis was doing, it IS NOT WRONG, to be afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 They are a shame to American History, but they may have prevented another attack on American soil. I feel order 9066 was poorly handled and more humanity could have been shown. It was a necessary evil in the time of war, where like Polaris said, nobody can win. Their property should have been taken care of better. They should not have been carted off like animals. They should have been given a certain degree of comfort befit the american they were. It was largely a shame, but some form of it was needed. Again, it so easy to say 9066 was wrong, when we look back at over 50 years, if you had lost a loved one at PH, and then seen what the Axis was doing, it IS NOT WRONG, to be afraid Well I mean Pearl Harbour wasn't even close to the most evil thing Imperial Japan did. I mean America cries blue murder about Pearl Harbour but at least Pearl Harbour was a military target, unlike you know, Nanjing. Also there was the Bataan Death March, Unit 731, treatment of allied POWs in general, not hard to see why people are still angry with the Japanese Administration when unlike Germany, refuse to actually acknowledge their war crimes in general. I'm a pretty big World War 2 history buff so I can go into more detail if you want me to elaborate, but Executive Order 9066 was still a bad decision by FDR. One evil does not in any way, justify another. I mean, extensive probing for people who were related to the Japanese Administration in America would have been intrusive, but fine. Just saying that you are a TENNO HEIKA BANZAI screaming extremist because you were part Japanese is basically like saying every Muslim is going to bomb everything because they're Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 They are a shame to American History, but they may have prevented another attack on American soil. I feel order 9066 was poorly handled and more humanity could have been shown. It was a necessary evil in the time of war, where like Polaris said, nobody can win. Their property should have been taken care of better. They should not have been carted off like animals. They should have been given a certain degree of comfort befit the american they were. It was largely a shame, but some form of it was needed. Again, it so easy to say 9066 was wrong, when we look back at over 50 years, if you had lost a loved one at PH, and then seen what the Axis was doing, it IS NOT WRONG, to be afraidDon't lose yourself to SJW logic man. Remember, the SJW's use their fear of White/Male/Hetero people to push their narrative. Not saying you're going full SJW, but I would be remiss if I didn't point it out. It isn't bad to be afraid, it is bad to take your fear out on innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Don't lose yourself to SJW logic man. Remember, the SJW's use their fear of White/Male/Hetero people to push their narrative. Not saying you're going full SJW, but I would be remiss if I didn't point it out. It isn't bad to be afraid, it is bad to take your fear out on innocent people. To be fair on Donald Trump here, the threat of Daesh is much different than the threat of Imperial Japan. Daesh are a bunch of loonies who take a storybook far too seriously for their own good. Imperial Japan was a nation with a ruthless expansionist policy that attempted to take over the entirety of East Asia. Even if we compare the fanatical obsession with Emperor Showa to Daesh's fanatical obsession with the Koran, there's no competition between the military power Imperial Japan could put out compared to Daesh. Daesh might have an army and a few tanks, but Imperial Japan had the 3rd biggest fleet of warships in the world, an enormous air force and a large ground force. All Daesh can attempt to do is destabilize a nation and use the fear to further their cause by getting people under their wing by pure fear. Imperial Japan could and did take over entire nations. Of course, it's still a very stupid idea. America did not need the internment camps to win. America won World War 2 on the pure virtue of having so much stuff, Operation Starvation also helped. For every Carrier Japan launched (See Taiho), America could launch 5 or 6. For each Yamato-class Battleship Japan could field, America could sortie an entire fleet. America could mass produce it's warships, planes and is a far bigger country than Japan anyway. It's the same reason Operation Barbarossa was a failure, even discounting the Russian winter, the German 6th Army could just not stop endless waves of Soviet Forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Liebert Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Punishing an entire group of people for one possible threat/past incident isn't right, morally or logically. Anyway, I just still can't believe he's even in the running to be our next president, let alone probably being our next president. "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Don't lose yourself to SJW logic man. Remember, the SJW's use their fear of White/Male/Hetero people to push their narrative. Not saying you're going full SJW, but I would be remiss if I didn't point it out. It isn't bad to be afraid, it is bad to take your fear out on innocent people.>Has been called a SJW>Is a White Male Sorry I know it's off topic I am just utterally baffled by this. But yeah, fear is something that is controlable and a government for sure should be able to control it at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 >Has been called a SJW>Is a White Male Sorry I know it's off topic I am just utterally baffled by this. But yeah, fear is something that is controlable and a government for sure should be able to control it at the very least.Since when am I a white male? I mean 1/4 russian sure, but go east of Moscow and we're all brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I fail to see how internment camps helped us win WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Since when am I a white male? I mean 1/4 russian sure, but go east of Moscow and we're all brown Apparently you can't be an SJW if you're white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Since when am I a white male? I mean 1/4 russian sure, but go east of Moscow and we're all brown Talking about myself. And HaluJack you're the one who seemed to be originally saying that so I'm confused. That's why i said it confused me. Don't lose yourself to SJW logic man. Remember, the SJW's use their fear of White/Male/Hetero people to push their narrative. Not saying you're going full SJW, but I would be remiss if I didn't point it out. It isn't bad to be afraid, it is bad to take your fear out on innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Its hard to make a call. Although this does contradict American values I'll play devil's advocate this time. There were confirmed Japanese spies on Pearl Harbor and even in the west coast I think.although they were so few compared in Proportion to the Japanese population. Of course there's that, but then again there's this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night The Japanese were going to use biological warfare if all went wrong. If they had a few more months they could've put their operation into place by using spies. And as other have stated before me, the Japanese were alot more dangerous them its current counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Like I said, I think they should have been more kind about it. ie. Not treated then like livestock and kept their property intact. There was so much economic and mental harm from 9066. The idea by itself was a necessary evil I fail to see how internment camps helped us win WWII. There were confirmed spies. Much like how ISIS prolly has a cell or two around storybook Circlejerking on my part, but I'll go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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