King of Nothing Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 EDIT: Ninja'd stupid question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Ok so...how does one go about bringing forth the great "Malefic Paradox Dragon"? Does Malefic Parallel Gear not count as a "Malefic" monster? Sin Parallel Gear does not have the "only one Sin on the field" clause. Neither does Paradox Dragon. Neither card restricts the Summoning of a new Sin monster (but other Sin monsters, like Red Eyes, Stardust, Truth, etc can't be Summoned because they DO have that clause). Also, Parallel Gear uses a Sin from the hand as Synchro Material for Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Sin Parallel Gear does not have the "only one Sin on the field" clause. Neither does Paradox Dragon. Neither card restricts the Summoning of a new Sin monster (but other Sin monsters, like Red Eyes, Stardust, Truth, etc can't be Summoned because they DO have that clause). Also, Parallel Gear uses a Sin from the hand as Synchro Material for Dragon.Yeah, I reread the card and ninja'd the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 And I saw it, but I already posted, so too late. Now ask something else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 DO TOKENS WORK FOR EXCEED *shot* Uhm..ok, so my question is this. When a fusion monster returns from the field to the fusion deck, and you use the effect of "Gale Dogra" to bring it to the graveyard, can you then special summon the Fusion monster from the graveyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 No. When returned to the hand, deck, or Extra Deck; Nomis, Semi Nomis, Fusions, and Synchros all "forget" they were properly summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~NOiSE~ Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 About Worm Zero: Do his stats and effects only apply as long as he's on the field? In other words, if he's sent to the Graveyard after being Fusion Summoned, then Special Summoned from the Graveyard, does he retain his stats and effects? I'm assuming no, but want to be sure. Never mind, found it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Opponent keeps using Kuribon's effect throughout the duel. Once my Life Points are high enough, they use Self-Destruct Button. Then they chain Gift of the Mystical Elf. Now, I know, that this chain would go backward, and they would gain LP from Chain Link 2, then Chain Link 1 would still make it a tie. I just wanted verification on my opponent's side so that they don't think I'm lying. They think it would go forwards, first lowering both player's LP to 0, then increasing their's(which, technically, would still be a tie because their LP reached 0). Still, someone just respond saying I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 You are right. Chains go backwards, from the last card activated first, to the last card activated. And if a person's Life Points reach 0 at any point then they lose, so yes it would also still be a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 With T.G. Hyper Librarian do you draw a card if our opponent synchro summons a monster or do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 It would be you who draws, since its your card, and it doesn't say "they draw 1 card", just "draw 1 card". Also, I just noticed he was a promo in SJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Can I always draw with Tech Genus Hyper Librarian without causing other monsters (like Mist Wurm, Junk Destroyer, or Dragunity Knight - Va... something) to lose their "when summoned" effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 You can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Can I always draw with Tech Genus Hyper Librarian without causing other monsters (like Mist Wurm, Junk Destroyer, or Dragunity Knight - Va... something) to lose their "when summoned" effects? The timing for Hyper Librarian and the aforementioned monsters occur at the same time (when the Synchro monster is Synchro Summoned), so you can put both effects on the same chain. If they're both your monsters, you choose which is Chain Link 1 or 2, as they're both Optional Trigger Effects. If at any time during a chain, a player's LP hits 0 or Exodia is assembled, the game immediately stops without further resolution. That's because the game state "checks" for victory conditions after every action, including Chain Link resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbu-of-Sand Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Noob Question: For (Semi)-Nomi's, do you have to fulfill the Summoning Requirements a second time to Special Summon them from say, the Graveyard or removed from play zone? Such as using Monster Reborn or Return from the Different Dimension on Chaos Sorcerer. Just want to double check for this Deck idea I had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Noob Question: For (Semi)-Nomi's, do you have to fulfill the Summoning Requirements a second time to Special Summon them from say, the Graveyard or removed from play zone? Such as using Monster Reborn or Return from the Different Dimension on Chaos Sorcerer. Just want to double check for this Deck idea I had in mind. Once you Special Summon a Semi-Nomi correctly (Semi-Nomi: can't be normal summoned or set, can only be special summoned by...), you can use card effects to special summon from Graveyard or RFP. You don't need to pay its costs or fulfill its conditions again. Nomis (Moni: can't be normal summoned or set, cannot be Special Summoned except...) can't be Special Summoned other than its means. Some cards "ignore Summoning Conditions". If you want to summon a Nomi or Semi-Nomi from the Graveyard or RFP with such a card, it must be properly summoned first. Either way, you don't have to pay their costs or meet their conditions again upon summoning them this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Noob Question: For (Semi)-Nomi's, do you have to fulfill the Summoning Requirements a second time to Special Summon them from say, the Graveyard or removed from play zone? Such as using Monster Reborn or Return from the Different Dimension on Chaos Sorcerer. Just want to double check for this Deck idea I had in mind. So long as they are never returned to the Hand, Deck, or Extra Deck, a Nomi/Semi-Nomi monster that was Special Summoned properly can be Special Summoned from Graveyard/Remove from Game as many times as you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 So long as they are never returned to the Hand, Deck, or Extra Deck, a Nomi/Semi-Nomi monster that was Special Summoned properly can be Special Summoned from Graveyard/Remove from Game as many times as you want. Darkwolf, you forgot the part where Nomis can't be summoned other than through their own means. But you are right that returning them to the hand/deck/extra deck resets them and makes them forget that they were summoned, unless you "ignore their Summoning Conditions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 2 face-up Giant Orcs and face-up Skill Drain. I Summon Jinzo and then equip it with Amplifier. Are my Giant Orcs affected by Skill Drain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 2 face-up Giant Orcs and face-up Skill Drain. I Summon Jinzo and then equip it with Amplifier. Are my Giant Orcs affected by Skill Drain? Skill Drain is already active when Jinzo is Summoned. Jinzo's effect is negated, and Amplifier does not change this. The Giant Orcs remain negated. If Jinzo is on the field, even equipped with Amplifier, a facedown Skill Drain cannot be flipped because Amplifier applies to the "effects" of the Traps, not their ability to be "activated". Theoretically, if Skill Drain was just temporarily negated at the time of Summon, but is reactive later and Amplifer is equipped to Jinzo, Amplifer keeps Skill Drain from being negated, so Jinzo's effect is negated, and Traps can freely be used, negating your Orcs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I just thought Amplifier allows your own traps to activate and/or remain active while the opponent's is negated, even with Jinzo's effect negated.Skill Drain doesn't effect Amplifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Noob Question: For (Semi)-Nomi's, do you have to fulfill the Summoning Requirements a second time to Special Summon them from say, the Graveyard or removed from play zone? Such as using Monster Reborn or Return from the Different Dimension on Chaos Sorcerer. Just want to double check for this Deck idea I had in mind. So long as a Semi Nomi/Fusion/Synchro was properly Summoned first (unless they have a condition preventing alternate Summon types, like the Ehero Fusions), they can be Special Summoned by any means from the Graveyard or RFG Zone. If they are returned to the hand, deck, or Extra Deck, the "memory" of being properly Summoned is "reset" and it has to be Special Summoned properly again. Cards without specific conditions for Summoning can be Special Summoned from the Extra Deck by alternate means (Metamorphosis, Starlight Road, etc) but they are not treated as being properly Summoned, which is why Stardust can't revive itself if Summoned by Starlight Road. Nomis (cannot be Special Summoned except...) can only be Special Summoned from the Grave or RFG zone if both the following are true 1) They were properly Summoned first2) The card Summoning it "Ignores the Summoning Conditions" Also, Nomis can be Special Summoned from the hand or deck if the card Summoning it "Ignores the Summoning Conditions", but for the record, VERY FEW cards allow this, Level Up! being notable. Now here's a question of mine based on this concept:If I use Level Up! to Special Summoned Armed Dragon LV7, and it's destroyed, can I use Level Modulation on it? Does "Ignoring the Summoning Conditions" from Level Up treat it as properly Summoned? I just thought Amplifier allows your own traps to activate and/or remain active while the opponent's is negated, even with Jinzo's effect negated.Skill Drain doesn't effect Amplifier. Amplifier is worded like this: "While this card is equipped, the equipped monster's effect does not negate the effects of its controller's Trap Cards" Jinzo has two effects in one. #1: It negates the effects of faceup Trap Cards. #2: Trap Cards cannot be activated. Amplifer does not say Jinzo's effect does not affect your Traps. It says it does not negate the effects, and only the effects. So your facedown Traps still cannot be activated, because Jinzo doesn't allow players to activate Traps. If Skill Drain is negating Jinzo, what active effect of Jinzo's is negating your Traps? Jinzo's effect is negated in this scenario, so Amolifier isn't doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Now here's a question of mine based on this concept:If I use Level Up! to Special Summoned Armed Dragon LV7, and it's destroyed, can I use Level Modulation on it? Does "Ignoring the Summoning Conditions" from Level Up treat it as properly Summoned? No, because the only way to properly Special Summon a Nomi/Semi-Nomi monster is by the condition written on the card (or in regards to Fusion/Synchro Monsters, cards whose effects state they the monsters are considered "Fusion" or "Synchro" summoned). Even though It was summoned to the field with Level Up!, it still was not properly Special Summoned by its condition, and therefore you cannot use Level Modulation on it when its later sent to the Graveyard. But you are right that returning them to the hand/deck/extra deck resets them and makes them forget that they were summoned, unless you "ignore their Summoning Conditions". After they are returned to the Hand/Deck/Extra Deck, even if you "Ignore their Summoning Conditions" and Special Summon them from the Hand/Deck, you still will not be able to Special Summon them from the Graveyard/Remove From Game if they are later sent there from the field because they were not properly Special Summoned. Its not just being Special Summoned, but they must be "properly" Special Summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 If the opponent tries to end their Main Phase and I use Veiler, do they still have to end their Main Phase or can they keep doing stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I'm not sure, because I don't even think you CAN activate Veiler when your opponent says they end their Main Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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