Slinky Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 Level 8 monstersUp to twice per turn, during your Main Phase 1: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 Special Summoned monster your opponent controls; destroy it, then if it was an Xyz Monster, inflict damage to your opponent equal to its original ATK. How well has this card aged? Granted, Xyz aren't as commonplace as they used to be thanks to various boosts to Fusion and Synchro decks, but they are still a very dominant part of the game thanks to their genericness. But of course, that's only if you want to get big damage out of it, but it's not like that's a problem thanks to common staples like Castel and S39, and varying on deck, Harbinger as well, with each target doing solid amounts of damage. It can still get rid of things like Siegfried, the Metalfoes, or pretty much anything, even though it does contain the weakest type of removal, targeted destruction. Ultimately, when you're done doing what the card does, Its a DARK Rank 8, basically allowing you to get a 4k beatstick in the form of #77 by using #84 as a ladder (yes this uses 3 extra deck slots, but its rank 8. Decks that like to rank 8 don't really have this tight extra deck), which on top of the potential burn damage, can easily mean game. I still personally think the card is strong as all hell, but what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 why would i run this when i have access to Galaxy-Eyes Cipher Blade Dragon and Galaxy-Eyes Full Armor Photon Dragon I get that this is a single slot, but it's not like Cipher/Blade/FA are bad cards, in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 why would i run this when i have access to Galaxy-Eyes Cipher Blade Dragon and Galaxy-Eyes Full Armor Photon Dragon I get that this is a single slot, but it's not like Cipher/Blade/FA are bad cards, in any way. Additionally, while this can destroy 2 cards, it can only destroy Special Summoned monsters. FA hits any face-up card and Cipher Blade can target any card. It's not only sacrificing stats and versatility with other support for quantity, but it makes itself a lot more situational as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 it's format dependent. It was actually aces in the Blu-eyes mirror if they left a Dark Matter Dragon for you to take half their life with. I mean if you take the effect as just "detach a mat, pop a card", then it's wildly outclassed by full armor and cipher blade. It's the burn that's the deciding factor, and being that it only works on Xyz (and the xyz have to have ATK enough for it to matter) many times it just isn't worth. if we get a format with high ATK Xyz that's one thing, but zodiac usually only has ATK with Viper shenans, so chances are it's not going to be worth the dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 However, we don't have Blade in the TCG yet. The only viable decks that can utilize R8 well are Blue Eyes and Darklords, and they aren't too much of a meta impact. For Grinder, it's good against mirror matches against Blue Eyes or Darklords since both decks are similar in making big walled boarded. Against ABC it's moderate since it pops 2 Unions, but won't stop floating and eventual Fusion Summon. Against Metalfoes most other things just go to the Extra and Alkahest is only useful to bait out. And against Frog Variants it can try to pop Paleozoics and the like but you'll have a hard time. In short, card aged neutrally but it isn't too bad. It found a niche in summoning 77 and can break some boards, but if I wanted to eliminate 2 monsters without worrying about negation, I'd run the popular growing tech Lava Golem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 It found a niche in summoning 77 84 requires the monster it's overlaying onto to have 2 or more Xyz Materials, meaning you either can't use its effect or whatever. If that's what you're going for, even Lancelot might even let you get a 2K poke and removal in before you go 77. And besides, 77 is really just a 4K beatstick with destruction protection until your next turn in a Rank 8 deck; a beatstick that size is not something a typical R8 deck has any problem getting without jumping through those hoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 84 requires the monster it's overlaying onto to have 2 or more Xyz Materials, meaning you either can't use its effect or whatever. If that's what you're going for, even Lancelot might even let you get a 2K poke and removal in before you go 77. And besides, 77 is really just a 4K beatstick with destruction protection until your next turn in a Rank 8 deck; a beatstick that size is not something a typical R8 deck has any problem getting without jumping through those hoops.That's true, but 84 has a similar effect anyway that destroys all monsters with DEF less than it. Getting over 77 in a mirror match between Blue Eyes or Darklord is hard anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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