Sleepy Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Mokey Mokey the GreatLIGHT [Fairy / Link / Effect] 300/Link 1 Up-Right1 non-Effect MonsterCan only be Link Summoned if you only control Attack Position non-Effect monsters. It is treated as "Mokey Mokey" while on your side of the field and Graveyard. If it battles a monster with 4000 ATK or more while there are no cards in your Extra Monster Zone and you control no other effect monsters: This card gains 10,000 ATK during the damage step only. - - - - He comes in quicker than ever to beat face. He won't kneel to anyone like those other puny monsters with Defense stats do! He'll give you a manly pat on your shoulder with his right hand to show you he's got your back. If you are pinned down against an impossibly strong foe, he'll blast them into oblivion with his deadly moves! This is a tribute to Yugioh4RealMen's Mokey Mokey. Also, he is an easy to make Link 1 whose point is (to my knowledge) unique in the game so far, so one more "mutual link" potential card.I wanted the over-the-top boost to be bigger but didn't want to make it a sure OTK card, so I settled for up to 6k damage here in a specific situation. Thoughts, comments, fixes, suggestions, etc, welcomed and encouraged~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BGMCANN0N Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 So it is possible to OTK with proper set up though of course... Here is the mandatory conditions that needs to be met:Getting this guy out which should be easy considering there is a massive abundance of Non-Effect monster/ Normal Monster Support.Obviously, getting a monster on your opponent's side of the field to be 4000 ATK. Your best bet is to get one of the Kaiju's with the highest ATK onto your opponent's field, and then give them something that is enough to boost the ATK to 4000.Here are the optional conditions (in the sense that you choose between them) I see that could be met to do it:Giving this guy at least 2000 ATK boost, can be done by Unstable Evolution http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Unstable_Evolution or Psychic Blade http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Psychic_Blade . Latter is better though. Actually these could be used in tandem with each other the more I think about it.Honest http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Honest...Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 IDK, when I read the card's name and Link material requirements I was hoping for a card that would make justice for Mokey Mokeys but... this doesn't look good: the conditions to both Link Summon it and apply the effect, as well as the extreme ATK-boosting effect, make the card a great example of the "awesome but impractical" syndrome.On the other hand, it stays flavorful with Mokey Mokey since it is just as situational as Mokey Mokey & support :v Its only practical use I see so far is just to turn a Token Monster into an Effect Link1 monster for Link laddering purposes; you cannot even try to make Mutual Links as you suggest because you would have to get this in an MM Zone somehow before Summoning Effect Monsters on your EM Zone.Of course, you can make it better right away by removing some, or even all of the restrictions, but I guess that would defeat the flavor intention of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 IDK, when I read the card's name and Link material requirements I was hoping for a card that would make justice for Mokey Mokeys but... this doesn't look good: the conditions to both Link Summon it and apply the effect, as well as the extreme ATK-boosting effect, make the card a great example of the "awesome but impractical" syndrome.On the other hand, it stays flavorful with Mokey Mokey since it is just as situational as Mokey Mokey & support :v Its only practical use I see so far is just to turn a Token Monster into an Effect Link1 monster for Link laddering purposes; you cannot even try to make Mutual Links as you suggest because you would have to get this in an MM Zone somehow before Summoning Effect Monsters on your EM Zone.Of course, you can make it better right away by removing some, or even all of the restrictions, but I guess that would defeat the flavor intention of the card. It's not meant to help the more conventional uses of Mokey Mokey such as Smackdown version as much, as it is based on this series: The very concept of it is that Mokey Mokey got fed up by people telling him that he's only good with the Smackdown build, so he set himself up on a journey to find his real strength.During the games in that series Mokey Mokey never gets destroyed and never changes positions, because he stands his ground like a man :v He's easy to Summon. Normal Summon a vanilla and DONE! xD"Easy but impractical" can be pretty Sooooooo you suggest I remove the restrictions and just make a "material: 1 monster" that gains 10k ATK upon attacking 4k+ ATK monsters? Boooooo!! :v So it is possible to OTK with proper set up though of course... Here is the mandatory conditions that needs to be met:Getting this guy out which should be easy considering there is a massive abundance of Non-Effect monster/ Normal Monster Support.Obviously, getting a monster on your opponent's side of the field to be 4000 ATK. Your best bet is to get one of the Kaiju's with the highest ATK onto your opponent's field, and then give them something that is enough to boost the ATK to 4000.Here are the optional conditions (in the sense that you choose between them) I see that could be met to do it:Giving this guy at least 2000 ATK boost, can be done by Unstable Evolution http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Unstable_Evolution or Psychic Blade http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Psychic_Blade . Latter is better though. Actually these could be used in tandem with each other the more I think about it.Honest http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Honest...Lol Oh, actually, yeah..... Somehow I forgot how easy it is to complete the OTK with an Honest xDEspecially I think OCG side has it at 3. It'd be fun but I wonder if it'd be problematic.... thinking about it..... Heh, I was thinking on something that Rising Energy card that is a Trap and requires a discard but boosts 1500 ATK, but come to think of it there are a lot of ways to make this work more easily. Kaijus, so other than the Honest part Mokey Mokey seems to work alright with Dinosaurs (on paper) hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Sooooooo you suggest I remove the restrictions and just make a "material: 1 monster" that gains 10k ATK upon attacking 4k+ ATK monsters? Boooooo!! :v No xDI suggest to remove at least 1 of its effect restrictions, not the material requirements. For instance, if you remove the "no cards in your Extra Deck Zone" from the "If it battles a monster with 4000 ATK or more while there are no cards in your Extra Monster Zone and you control no other effect monsters" restriction, then at the very least you can apply its effect without the need of moving or Summoning it on a MM Zone and clearing your EM Zone first. P.D. Yeah, I remember watching that Mokey Mokey series but still, IMO Mokeys would appreciate actually good support for once :v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 No xDI suggest to remove at least 1 of its effect restrictions, not the material requirements. For instance, if you remove the "no cards in your Extra Deck Zone" from the "If it battles a monster with 4000 ATK or more while there are no cards in your Extra Monster Zone and you control no other effect monsters" restriction, then at the very least you can apply its effect without the need of moving it to the MM Zone and clearing your EM Zone first.It is the Extra Monster Zone, not the Extra Deck Zone.To make the effect live you just need to suicide your 2500 - 3000 ATK Exta Deck Link boss before hitting with Mokey Mokey. Oh so you want it easy huh? :v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 It is the Extra Monster Zone, not the Extra Deck Zone.To make the effect live you just need to suicide your 2500 - 3000 ATK Exta Deck Link boss before hitting with Mokey Mokey. Oh so you want it easy huh? :v Yeah, I got that it refers to the Extra Monster Zone. "EM Zone" stands for "Extra Monster Zone", silly Sleepy :v And yes, it can afford to be easier. I mean, you first have to get it on an MM Zone without having any Effect Monsters on board and the EM Zone cleared out, then your opponent has to control a 4000+ ATK monster so... yeah, it's so complicated already that the bit of flexibility wouldn't hurt. An idea for another layer of difficulty is that said 4000+ATK monster should be linked to any of your Link Monsters; that way, it will have an incentive in summoning on your EM Zone, due to its upper-right link. You would have to get rid of the "no monsters in your EM Zone" restriction, though. Actually... it may not be that hard to set up because Video Gaia Knight exists. You can get Gaia in a MM Zone then drop Mokey to either of its sides, while keeping your EM Zone clear and turning any remaining Effect Monsters into more Gaias on the other side. I can picture Star Grails setting the whole thing nicely already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Yeah, I got that it refers to the Extra Monster Zone. "EM Zone" stands for "Extra Monster Zone", silly Sleepy :v And yes, it can afford to be easier. I mean, you first have to get it on an MM Zone without having any Effect Monsters on board and the EM Zone cleared out, then your opponent has to control a 4000+ ATK monster so... yeah, it's so complicated already that the bit of flexibility wouldn't hurt. An idea for another layer of difficulty is that said 4000+ATK monster should be linked to any of your Link Monsters; that way, it will have an incentive in summoning on your EM Zone, due to its upper-right link. You would have to get rid of the "no monsters in your EM Zone" restriction, though. Actually... it may not be that hard to set up because Video Gaia Knight exists. You can get Gaia in a MM Zone then drop Mokey to either of its sides, while keeping your EM Zone clear and turning any remaining Effect Monsters into more Gaias on the other side. I can picture Star Grails setting the whole thing nicely already. You have a number of options to circumvent the problems of getting rid of your EMZ monster. Card costs like Enemy Controller, Tribute fodder, make a monster in the EMZ but suicide it (if you want to use Mokey's effect you WILL have something to suicide on so yeah), Senet Switch (lol), Control change such as Creature Swap, Hit it with removal yourself with cards like Compulsory, etc. No, that suggestion promotes Link spam rather than indulging in an otherwise "achievement unlock" kind of situation. Yet it still is supposed to give some room in terms of what avenues you might wanna try to get to it. I heard Scapegoat mentioned, and that's pretty lulzy but it'd need to be in a way that the tokens are able to switch to Attack Position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 You have a number of options to circumvent the problems of getting rid of your EMZ monster. Card costs like Enemy Controller, Tribute fodder, make a monster in the EMZ but suicide it (if you want to use Mokey's effect you WILL have something to suicide on so yeah), Senet Switch (lol), Control change such as Creature Swap, Hit it with removal yourself with cards like Compulsory, etc. No, that suggestion promotes Link spam rather than indulging in an otherwise "achievement unlock" kind of situation. Yet it still is supposed to give some room in terms of what avenues you might wanna try to get to it. I heard Scapegoat mentioned, and that's pretty lulzy but it'd need to be in a way that the tokens are able to switch to Attack Position. Then, it seems the approach with Gaia Video will remain the most effective, since it won't require extra cards to deal with your EM Zone monster. Just simply spam enough monsters to end with 1 Gaia Video in the MM Zone, your Mokey next to it and on the other side either another Gaia to make Mokey live, or even better, a 4000+ ATK Link Monster to give to your opponent through Creature Swap, Mystic Box, etc. Ironically enough, that's also a Link spam tactic, something you don't want to promote, so in a way your efforts are moot :v But seriously now, I get that you want to keep the card the most convoluted as possible for that "achievement unlocked" feeling, but really, in the end I suspect it will just find its way into being "shortcut" and possibly abused because otherwise it won't be worth it. I mean, the way you want it to be it makes it something of a 3-card combo, and it's not even an FTK/OTK, whereas AFAIK the rule of thumb for FTK/OTKs is that they have to be a 3-card combo or less to be worthy; in other words, it's outclassed by actual FTK/OTK plays. I guess you could still play this for the achievement, but I foresee it would end up as a "secret tech" that steal games every now and then: all you need is a deck with high Link spam capabilities, a couple of Video Gaias and this in your Extra Deck, and wait for your opponent to control a 4000+ ATK monster to drop the little surprise. It will become even easier to set up if a non-Effect Link2 with Left and/or Right points is ever released. By the way, Grinder Golem could help with the setup of this Mokey: you can use the 2 Tokens for Link Summons, and find a way to boost Grinder by +1000 ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted May 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Then, it seems the approach with Gaia Video will remain the most effective, since it won't require extra cards to deal with your EM Zone monster. Just simply spam enough monsters to end with 1 Gaia Video in the MM Zone, your Mokey next to it and on the other side either another Gaia to make Mokey live, or even better, a 4000+ ATK Link Monster to give to your opponent through Creature Swap, Mystic Box, etc. Ironically enough, that's also a Link spam tactic, something you don't want to promote, so in a way your efforts are moot :v But seriously now, I get that you want to keep the card the most convoluted as possible for that "achievement unlocked" feeling, but really, in the end I suspect it will just find its way into being "shortcut" and possibly abused because otherwise it won't be worth it. I mean, the way you want it to be it makes it something of a 3-card combo, and it's not even an FTK/OTK, whereas AFAIK the rule of thumb for FTK/OTKs is that they have to be a 3-card combo or less to be worthy; in other words, it's outclassed by actual FTK/OTK plays. I guess you could still play this for the achievement, but I foresee it would end up as a "secret tech" that steal games every now and then: all you need is a deck with high Link spam capabilities, a couple of Video Gaias and this in your Extra Deck, and wait for your opponent to control a 4000+ ATK monster to drop the little surprise. It will become even easier to set up if a non-Effect Link2 with Left and/or Right points is ever released. By the way, Grinder Golem could help with the setup of this Mokey: you can use the 2 Tokens for Link Summons, and find a way to boost Grinder by +1000 ATK. I'm not against promoting Link spam. I'm against making that the only path for it by outright saying "get another Link" and cutting off other options.Another way this card can be live is by simply reviving it actually xD Making cards that can consistently FTK/OTK in combinations of 3 is not something I look forward to designing. Back in the day the rule of thumb was just that if it took more pieces than Exodia limbs, then it was too much. Even that standard seems a bit meh. There's a reason I only post CC content in Casual. I'm not in to outclass Chain Burn or Zoodiac plays anytime soon. Plus, it IS a 10k ATK boost, I'm sure it is at least tempting as is. I have to note that the card just needs to "battle" so if your opponent attacks with their standard 2500 to 3000 ATK monsters, you are a little push away from achieving the effect. Maybe I could give it more DEF stat- Oh wait lol. I could make it more mean and make the ATK boost permanent so it would stack every time..... but that feels more dangerous and problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I could make it more mean and make the ATK boost permanent so it would stack every time..... but that feels more dangerous and problematic. You can get away with that, IMO. Chances are the opponent won't drop another 4000+ ATK monster for it to gain a second boost anyway, and it will encourage the opponent into giving priority to the removal of Mokey. Or he/she can answer with his/her own Mokey for the ultimate clash of titans:v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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