Pojo is currently discussing TER

[Guest]

Let's see if YCM can do better.

 

 

Let's assume that Metamorphosis deserves to remain banned. Given this assumption, does it follow that TER should be made legal again?

 

Go.

[Uchiha]

Megamorph-Give it da Ban Hammer

TER-Release The Hammer

 

Makes Sense Megamorph is like ran in Burn Decks to keep ur opponent at half ATK monsters. Only useful if ur running low on monsters or need to kill some Jinzos or something.

 

TER is weell balanced but could be modifed slightly.

[Guest]

1. Megamorph =/= Metamorphosis. Be less bad at reading.

2. TER is a real card, not a created card, you fool. Modification is out of the question.

[Uchiha]

1. Megamorph =/= Metamorphosis. Be less bad at reading.

2. TER is a real card' date=' not a created card, you fool. Modification is out of the question.

[/quote']I know that was just a comment.

Metamorphisis is a Magical Scientist Sorta but for monsters like BEUD are Cyber Stein Targets. I cant think of at least 20 Fusion Monsters that can be Special Summoned other than Fusion Summon so well IDK what else to say.

[Guest]

I have no clue what you're blathering about now.

 

So far, Pojo is doing better than YCM.

[SHINI [THE CHAOS]]

I have no clue what you're blathering about now.

 

So far' date=' Pojo is doing better than YCM.

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lol Well I'm no whiz when it comes to playing Yugioh. But in my opinion it shouldn't be banned, maybe semi. It's powerful, but it will be a hell of a lot harder to get him out.

[avariademon]

well, pretty much the only thing that made that card good in the first place was metamorphosis and maybe magical scientist, though i suppose you could use instant fusion with that, if it came back i dont see any decks reqireing this card in their deck. so unless you think that using instant fusion with this card is ubber broken or i missed something this card would be just fine unbanned

 

sure would make instant fusion a better card though

[JesusofChaos™]

Dark Hex Sealed Fusion can sub Reliquished, this deserves to stay banned

[Umbra]

TER's good, but could have been better. It doesn't grant any immunity against effects, which this meta seems to specialize in. Sure, it's easy to get out with Dark Hex-Sealed and equivalents, but it's not sure to stay on the field for long. The protection effect is only valid via battles, and isn't therefore very good.

 

My opinion on TER's position in the banlist is either Banned or Limited.

[Exiro]

This card wouldn't harm the current meta if it was at 3. It has no protection from effects and is just to slow. It would be hit soon enough by DAD/JD/Snipe/etc.

GBs would be a little screwed, but have answers like Test Tiger or Spell Destruction (which GBs should run).

 

In a 'perfect ban list', this card would be too powerful. Fusion summoning it would instantly take away two of your opponent's monsters, and many decks will be dead if they're playing against a TER deck. If they don't have a card that gets rid of this, they can't do anything and the opponent will control the field. Off course TER is still slow, but you can for example offer it for a monarch to make the game 'continue', giving you an advantage at the same time.

[「tea.leaf」]

Keep Metamorphosis banned and then bring this back. Without Metamorphosis it's a lot more inconvenient to bring this out, so it probably won't be abused as much as it was before.

 

The only thing that I can see working with this is probably Instant Fusion, which would let you take down one opponent monster, and then bring back by something like Angel Lift/Limit Reverse/Monster Reborn/Premature Burial/etc.

 

TER's good' date=' but could have been better. It doesn't grant any immunity against effects, which this meta seems to specialize in. Sure, it's easy to get out with Dark Hex-Sealed and equivalents, but it's not sure to stay on the field for long. The protection effect is only valid via battles, and isn't therefore very good.

 

My opinion on TER's position in the banlist is either Banned or [b']Limited[/b].

I lol'd.

[tonisanoob]

Let's assume that Metamorphosis deserves to remain banned. Given this assumption, does it follow that TER should be made legal again?

 

the fact of the matter if metamorphisis shouldnt be banned, and even if both of the cards where unbanned, it would have very little impact to the meta

 

but seeing as we are going with the senario that meta is banned then yes why the hell not unbann this?

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Unban it. See if I care.

[pizzaman]

Instant Fusion becomes a 1-on-1 trade off card (with minor life cost) if TER was unbanned.

[Tekken Ham]

Metamorphosis was the basis for Goat Control, no? The basis of Goat Control was to get out TER. If TER was unbanned but Metamorphosis stays banned, "OMG YOU KILLED GOAT CONTROL!!1" Too bad it's already dead. Instant Fusion becomes splashable and we have to deal with TER again. It was banned before Metamorphosis, so why would bringing it back with no Metamorphosis be good? So you killed arguably the easiest way to get it out from an old format. TER is good.

 

From what I see above, YCM is being stupid. Metamorphosis was the main way to get your win condition (TER) out. If goat is limited and Metamorphosis banned, Goat Control is dead, it already is dead. However, there's Instant Fusion, Limit Reverse, Angel Lift, Premmy, Reborn, Prisma, and even CCV. If this thing gets Limited, Dark Control is going to be huge.

 

@Uchiha, You phail.

 

@Shini, You obv. don't know how to play, if this thing get's semi'd we're in for huge rape.

 

@avaria, No, TER was made good because of his control powers, he was made better because he was easy to get out. However, he is good alone. If he was unbanned, and limited, we could see him at World if he was unbanned now.

 

@JoC, he deserves to stay banned, but not for the reason you posted.

 

@Umbra, Wow, you're dumb. So what if he stops ONLY battle, battle is one of the biggest removal events in the game. If he can't stop spells or traps, big deal, we have Jinzo at 3. And Decree at 2. And Cold Wave. And Anti-Spell. Can you say, "Rape?"

 

@Exiro, At 3 this card is gonna be almost as bad as JD and DaD. He's gonna be so easy to get out, it's not even funny. And once he hit's the field, he starts dominating. He's a better version of Plasma, easier to summon and a better effect.

 

@tea leaf, Metamorphosis made Goat Control runnable. Goat Control relied on TER. TER did not rely on the Goats. Think about it...

 

@ton, Lolno. This will impact the meta as soon as it gets unbanned. Once people figure out a new Dark Lock, it's gonna spread like wildfire over the TCG.

 

@Dragon, Watch the meta get raped before your eyes.

 

@pizza, I think you hit some of the nail partially on the head.

 

 

The verdict? TER should stay banned.

[Umbra]

@Cheeselord: Because one always attacks with DaD/JD rather than using their effects first, right?

[Tekken Ham]

No, because TER says hi and eats them. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!

[Umbra]

Because whoever summons DaD with their opponent having a TER out will not use the effect, right?

[b7hamma]

So far' date=' Pojo is doing better than YCM.

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Working as intended.

[Tekken Ham]

@Umbra, So, because it can be destroyed it deserves to be unbanned?

 

So that means the banlist doesn't count by your logic.

[Umbra]

@Umbra' date=' So, because it can be destroyed it deserves to be unbanned?

 

So that means the banlist doesn't count by your logic.

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I have never said I wanted it unbanned. I'm just saying it can be destroyed easily. Don't mix two different topics.

[Tekken Ham]

My opinion on TER's position in the banlist is either Banned or Limited.

 

Also, since it's destroyed easily, what does that have to do with it's position on the banlist?

 

 

My comments applied to the first paragraph of your post.

 

Effect immunity doesn't exist, maybe Plasma, but he's really a toned-down version of TER with DHero slapped on his name. Sure he can stop effects. But can he lock anything down? Is he insanely easy to summon?

 

Then, who Fusion Summons anymore, we have Limit Reverse and Instant Fusion, both unlimited. In Goat Control he was never Fusion Summoned so why do we have to Fusion Summon him now? Dark Hex is unneeded with the sheer amount of cards this guy synergises with.

 

Because he only stops battle doesn't make him good. He controls the game efficiently and at 1 can wreak havoc because he can eat monsters and stop battle. He is easy to summon and keep on the field, he's Dark which synergises well, he takes up no deck space, and can be another card that belongs in Darks.

[Umbra]

Look, neither of us will be convinced by the other one's arguments. I can tell that already. So I'll drop this argument now.

[Flame Dragon]

Should stay banned. Even without Metamorphosis he is very easy to get out, and with cards like Angel Lift and Limit Reverse he is easy to keep out.

[Exiro]

@Exiro' date=' At 3 this card is gonna be almost as bad as JD and DaD.

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No, TER'll be nothing like JD or DAD. TER doesn't nuke the field. Just one monster, but not a single spell or trap. TER doesn't grant you to win the duel at once most of the time. TER is a lockdown card, not an OTK card.

 

He's gonna be so easy to get out' date=' it's not even funny.

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So are JD and DAD. Yes, TER is even easier to summon with Instant Fusion, but doesn't win automatically and doesn't stay on the field. Yes, he will stay on the field if he is summoned by Limit Reborn, Angel Lift, Premature, MR, etc. later, but that makes it a 2-card combo to get him out for real. Just so you know, D-END is also summoned with a 2-card combo and didn't make a huge impact at the meta, while he is even harder to get rid of than tER.

 

And once he hit's the field' date=' he starts dominating.

[/quote']

So do JD and DAD.

 

He's a better version of Plasma' date=' easier to summon and a better effect.

[/quote']

No, he isn't. Even though they share one effect, they're totally different cards. They have a different lockdown effect (and Plasma's lockdown effect is a lot better in this format) and the summoning requirement is just different. TER needs IF + Graveyard Revival while Plasma needs Scapegoat + himself. Scapegoat is limited but FoD/GG can also be used and having the 3rd monster almost goes automatically (Reborning a Disk Commander, for example).