Hitler; Intelligent?

[Static]

About as intelligent as Americans. Let me explain.

 

Is it intellect to allow people to die to achieve your cause?

 

Is it intellect to be morally "Wrong" in the eyes of the western world?

 

Is it intellectual to make people follow your own set of beliefs?

 

Because if you think it is' date=' then look at the foundation of western democracy, and notice that its findings were just the word of another man. They are but the same in relevance and truth. The truth does not exist in either morality and the relevance applies to those who believe and/or are punished by its standardization.

 

In other words, The Bible has as much philosophic truth as the Nazi Party, and it is just as much as all other forms of belief, sponsored by smart men, political parties, or by "God."

 

Its all the same, regardless of what western liberals and conservatives wish to believe or what beliefs they were raised under.[/quote']

 

Discuss.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

He advanced our medical technology right?

 

I'm not sure, I am lacking my debating skills lately :/

[Guest JoshIcy]

Yes he was. And I idolize his speaking skills etc... His ambition and determination....

 

Aside from that though, [in the area of personal opinion] I do not like the man...

[Bringer Of The Apocalypse]

Yes, but he was sloppy. He should have expanded his army more before invading Russia. The way 1 man could unite a crippled country is indeed amazing. Yes, he was great at speeches etc. Despite what i said, i do think he is playing poker in hell.

[Flame Dragon]

Hitler was a very intelligent, charismatic leader with great public speaking skills. He helped bring Germany out of a deep depression and helped bring Germany to a military height.

 

While he was a great leader his actions were inumain at best.

[VainZiler]

He was highly intelligent and if memory serves right, he was also a very talented painter. But his ambitions got the best of him, as well as his studies in the occult bogged down his military power to some degree.

[Wyhe]

I would like to quote the various flaws that Hilter committed that led to his downfall

-he commissioned the Holocaust to kill off thousands of Jews, that was plain stupid & it gave the chance for geniuses to migrate elsewhere.

-he never made more alliances other than Italy & Japan. He should also focus on getting more power from conquered lands.

[Static]

@ Rav: He allied with Russia and then betrayed them.

 

@ BOTA: He attacked at the dawn of Russian Winter, which was even dumber. Should have learned Napoleon's lesson if he wanted to succeed.

 

@ everyone, this is not a discussion of Hitler specifically, You're supposed to show me how Hitler's Ideals and America's Ideals are any different in how they are supported and came to be.

[Wyhe]

@ Rav: He allied with Russia and then betrayed them.

 

@ BOTA: He attacked at the dawn of Russian Winter' date=' which was even dumber. Should have learned Napoleon's lesson if he wanted to succeed.

[/quote']

but I thought Napolean's losing streak came from the Battle with England.

[Static]

@ Rav: He allied with Russia and then betrayed them.

 

@ BOTA: He attacked at the dawn of Russian Winter' date=' which was even dumber. Should have learned Napoleon's lesson if he wanted to succeed.

[/quote']

but I thought Napolean's losing streak came from the Battle with England.

 

Napolean lost 4 key battles, the one with Russia, Waterloo, one south of Europe that I cannot remember, and either the one you speak of, or I cannot remember.

[Aelsthla-Mental]

Personally i think Hitler was intelligent. Yes he made mistakes, but everyone does. Problem was Hitler made critical ones.

 

Yeah, he was a good painter. Pity they didn't accept him in the art academy...

 

Anyway, back to intelligence.

 

He worked hard, he helped improve medicine, proved that smoking was bad for you. Etc. etc.

 

His blitzkrieg assault quickly took most of Europe my storm.

 

Most of his mistakes can be at least partially explained.

1. Killing off Jews: Hitler needed someone to blame in order to get power, someone to fight against before the war really begun. Perhaps the Jews weren't the best choice, a mistake on that part. Then again, they could be enemies on a religious level too, which would help. Still, he made a mistake.

 

2. Betraying Russia: Germany and Russia had totally different power systems. Communists and a dictator (or close to). With these different ideas it was only natural for the high-ups to feel their power could be outdone by the other system. The alliance was perhaps good strategically and military-wise, but not for the leaders in power...

But wait, i've missed the crucial point. He did it in Winter. I think that was definitely a mistake that cannot be explained (well, i can't anyway). Hitler probably chose then to realize the threat.

 

Ok, i might be way off. Just how i see it from the top of my head.

[Static]

Personally i think Hitler was intelligent. Yes he made mistakes' date=' but everyone does. Problem was Hitler made critical ones.

 

Yeah, he was a good painter. Pity they didn't accept him in the art academy...

 

Anyway, back to intelligence.

 

He worked hard, he helped improve medicine, proved that smoking was bad for you. Etc. etc.

 

His blitzkrieg assault quickly took most of Europe my storm.

Most of his mistakes can be at least partially explained.

1. Killing off Jews: Hitler needed someone to blame in order to get power, someone to fight against before the war really begun. Perhaps the Jews weren't the best choice, a mistake on that part. Then again, they could be enemies on a religious level too, which would help. Still, he made a mistake. [b']The best target would have been the Anglo Saxon's, but it's too bad Germany had similar religious views with many of them.[/b]

 

2. Betraying Russia: Germany and Russia had totally different power systems; Authoritarian Communism and Fascist Totalitarianism. With these different ideas it was only natural for the high-ups to feel their power could be outdone by the other system, which in Hitler's case, he would have been pwnt by the Red. The alliance was perhaps good strategically and military-wise, but not for the leaders in power...

But wait, i've missed the crucial point. He did it in Winter. I think that was definitely a mistake that cannot be explained (well, i can't anyway) to not heed Napoleon's lesson, that showed just how highly he thought of himself. Hitler probably chose then to realize the threat.

 

Ok, i might be way off. Just how i see it from the top of my head.

 

Fixed :D

[Aelsthla-Mental]

Yeah, that's better, thanks.

[VainZiler]

As for the outlined discussion, there really is no difference between Hitler and the current American powers. The only slight variation is this countries war isn't trying to mass slaughter the Jewish, gay, and handicapped, it's to slaughter the Muslim and 'terrorists', while hiding it under this countries actions being done as "freedom fighters".

 

I once again quote George Carlin:

 

"If firefighters fight fires and crime fighters fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight?"

[Prince Poison]

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

[Static]

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression, and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[VainZiler]

Big business is the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Fixed that for you.

[Willieh]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust, he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a funking moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

[Static]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

[Willieh]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

 

I've bolded several things in your paragraph. First of all, I must say you raise very valid points. But the way you view things are...unsensible. You consider one life taken to be a tragedy. Well it is. But that's like saying I have one dollar so I'm as rich as this mult-billion air. It makes no sense.

 

The first real point I will raise is that the Darwanism we stress today in schools and such is not the actually theory that Charles Darwan actually stressed. But that's not the point. That actually has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to get across...

 

I never stated that only Jews were killed. In fact many people were killed. Homosexuals, Crippled, and others. Blacks were never killed; but rather sterolized. Which, I myself would consider a form of murder, but you shouldn't because you are pro-choice.

 

Honestly I don't even see how one could even possibly compare the two. Sure, we killed the Native Americans. But why should you care? If I am correctly thinking I was told that you support the theory of "Everything is the effect of a cause". So why would any of us be looked down upon for killing anybody? In fact, what would be the point of jail? If they were predetermined to kill, why should they be punished?

 

You've got to look at it from the statistical point of view. Whats worse, a single person dying or an entire building? Besides; this nation has been the cause of many great inventions.

 

Comparing Hitler's Rule to the American republic of today would be like comparing a serial killer to say... a drunk driver who hit someone head on.

 

Oh yeah and the thing about invading Afghanastan (or however you spell it) the fact that we thought they would even consider attacking our homeland would be a reason to invade...:|

[Static]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

 

I've bolded several things in your paragraph. First of all, I must say you raise very valid points. But the way you view things are...unsensible. You consider one life taken to be a tragedy. Well it is. But that's like saying I have one dollar so I'm as rich as this mult-billion air. It makes no sense.

 

The first real point I will raise is that the Darwanism we stress today in schools and such is not the actually theory that Charles Darwan actually stressed. But that's not the point. That actually has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to get across...

 

I never stated that only Jews were killed. In fact many people were killed. Homosexuals, Crippled, and others. Blacks were never killed; but rather sterilized. Which, I myself would consider a form of murder, but you shouldn't because you are pro-choice.

 

Honestly I don't even see how one could even possibly compare the two. Sure, we killed the Native Americans. But why should you care? If I am correctly thinking I was told that you support the theory of "Everything is the effect of a cause". So why would any of us be looked down upon for killing anybody? In fact, what would be the point of jail? If they were predetermined to kill, why should they be punished?

 

You've got to look at it from the statistical point of view. Whats worse, a single person dying or an entire building? Besides; this nation has been the cause of many great inventions.

 

Comparing Hitler's Rule to the American republic of today would be like comparing a serial killer to say... a drunk driver who hit someone head on.

 

Oh yeah and the thing about invading Afghanastan (or however you spell it) the fact that we thought they would even consider attacking our homeland would be a reason to invade...:|

 

First off, we knew the Taliban would not have done sheet to our homeland. Afghanistan had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

 

Second off, I know you said nothing of the Holocaust, that was me ranting about how Jewish people are (they're annoying). I'm just saying you cannot pull the Holocaust card without the same card being pulled concerning the Native Genocide and the Slave Trades.

 

How can you see America so innocently? We dropped the bombs on the Japanese when we could have lost the lives of soldiers over civillians (which is HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN). We allowed the Palmer Raids and we allowed Senator McCarthy to run rampant on his Ghost Hunt. We not only ignored the information from Australian Intel concerning the Pearl Harbor bombing, we ignored our own radar that showed the planes enter the islands, just so that we could go to war. We did the same thing to get into WWI, Vietnam, and inevitably, The Iraq War and Afghanistan invasion. I'm not saying anything about an inside job, that is blasphemous, but to assume we did not know it was going to happen, and that we could not have prevented it, is also blasphemous. Our nation is one of many evils, we allow business to grow into uncontrollable power, and make people work hard for nothing. The only difference there is that the people in America think that they live a decent life.

 

A Single Death is A Tragedy, a Million is a Statistic. These word are essentially saying don't cry over spilt milk. Sure, one person dying might be sad, but as more die, it really does not make much more difference, as no matter how you look at it, life is lost. Numbers are irrelevant. Plus, its not like 6.5 billion people NEED to be alive. Essentially what America is doing now is creating a "Business run Dictatorship without tears." we are ruled by lives of work, where we are paid to spend our money to help other businesses, and in turn, are puppets of our own associated businesses because our spending of money on other business allows more money to be in the hands of people who spend money on our business. The difference between business rule and Hitler's rule, and the key difference that keeps seeming to show its ugly face in this point, is that America covers up the bullsh-t while Hitler was far more direct.

 

Why do I care that Natives were killed? I do not, I am just saying that the deaths that Hitler caused are in essense, the same as those America's foundation and continued existence cause(d).

 

p.s. Sterilization on a mass scale has been contemplated by some of the most profound American minds. It just might happen. Careful when drinking unfiltered water there buddy ;)

[Willieh]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

 

I've bolded several things in your paragraph. First of all, I must say you raise very valid points. But the way you view things are...unsensible. You consider one life taken to be a tragedy. Well it is. But that's like saying I have one dollar so I'm as rich as this mult-billion air. It makes no sense.

 

The first real point I will raise is that the Darwanism we stress today in schools and such is not the actually theory that Charles Darwan actually stressed. But that's not the point. That actually has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to get across...

 

I never stated that only Jews were killed. In fact many people were killed. Homosexuals, Crippled, and others. Blacks were never killed; but rather sterilized. Which, I myself would consider a form of murder, but you shouldn't because you are pro-choice.

 

Honestly I don't even see how one could even possibly compare the two. Sure, we killed the Native Americans. But why should you care? If I am correctly thinking I was told that you support the theory of "Everything is the effect of a cause". So why would any of us be looked down upon for killing anybody? In fact, what would be the point of jail? If they were predetermined to kill, why should they be punished?

 

You've got to look at it from the statistical point of view. Whats worse, a single person dying or an entire building? Besides; this nation has been the cause of many great inventions.

 

Comparing Hitler's Rule to the American republic of today would be like comparing a serial killer to say... a drunk driver who hit someone head on.

 

Oh yeah and the thing about invading Afghanastan (or however you spell it) the fact that we thought they would even consider attacking our homeland would be a reason to invade...:|

 

First off, we knew the Taliban would not have done s*** to our homeland. Afghanistan had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

 

Second off, I know you said nothing of the Holocaust, that was me ranting about how Jewish people are (they're annoying). I'm just saying you cannot pull the Holocaust card without the same card being pulled concerning the Native Genocide and the Slave Trades.

 

How can you see America so innocently? We dropped the bombs on the Japanese when we could have lost the lives of soldiers over civillians (which is HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN). We allowed the Palmer Raids and we allowed Senator McCarthy to run rampant on his Ghost Hunt. We not only ignored the information from Australian Intel concerning the Pearl Harbor bombing, we ignored our own radar that showed the planes enter the islands, just so that we could go to war. We did the same thing to get into WWI, Vietnam, and inevitably, The Iraq War and Afghanistan invasion. I'm not saying anything about an inside job, that is blasphemous, but to assume we did not know it was going to happen, and that we could not have prevented it, is also blasphemous. Our nation is one of many evils, we allow business to grow into uncontrollable power, and make people work hard for nothing. The only difference there is that the people in America think that they live a decent life.

 

A Single Death is A Tragedy, a Million is a Statistic. These word are essentially saying don't cry over spilt milk. Sure, one person dying might be sad, but as more die, it really does not make much more difference, as no matter how you look at it, life is lost. Numbers are irrelevant. Plus, its not like 6.5 billion people NEED to be alive. Essentially what America is doing now is creating a "Business run Dictatorship without tears." we are ruled by lives of work, where we are paid to spend our money to help other businesses, and in turn, are puppets of our own associated businesses because our spending of money on other business allows more money to be in the hands of people who spend money on our business. The difference between business rule and Hitler's rule, and the key difference that keeps seeming to show its ugly face in this point, is that America covers up the bullsh-t while Hitler was far more direct.

 

Why do I care that Natives were killed? I do not, I am just saying that the deaths that Hitler caused are in essense, the same as those America's foundation and continued existence cause(d).

 

p.s. Sterilization on a mass scale has been contemplated by some of the most profound American minds. It just might happen. Careful when drinking unfiltered water there buddy ;)

 

There was no "Native Genocide". There are still Natives Around. We had no interest in ending the Native American Race. We merely needed them for their working skills.

 

And here's the way I look at it. Yeah one life is a tragedy; so you don't see billions of lives lost as being a tragedy? The way you throw words around is ... insensative whilst being completely based on emotion. "Why do 6.5 Billion people need life anyway?" Wtf? That's horrible to say if you take in to consideration what you are really saying. Oh yeah and bombing Japan was necessary. It ended a lot of struggle; and they could have ended up taking over the world.

 

Basically this is my argument:

 

Hitler had no supportive reasons for killing the Jews. He simply wanted to end their race because of past troubles in his life and blamed them for his economical imbalances.

 

America killed Native Americans so we could start a free independant civilization and eventually evolve to be a world power.

 

Your argument seems to be:

 

Killing is killing, so what's the difference. A life lost is a life lost; numbers mean nothing.

 

 

 

Honestly, look at the differences between our arguments...

 

 

P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not steril yet....:O....Maybe I should check.... Be back in about 7 mins.... XD

[Metal Lord]

Yes' date=' but he was sloppy. He should have expanded his army more before invading Russia. The way 1 man could unite a crippled country is indeed amazing. Yes, he was great at speeches etc. Despite what i said, i do think he is playing poker in hell.

[/quote']

 

Agreed. He got sloppy. If he'd kept his deal with stalin, he may be the first leader of the world. Now, he, Mussolini and stalin play poker in hell.

[Static]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

 

I've bolded several things in your paragraph. First of all, I must say you raise very valid points. But the way you view things are...unsensible. You consider one life taken to be a tragedy. Well it is. But that's like saying I have one dollar so I'm as rich as this mult-billion air. It makes no sense.

 

The first real point I will raise is that the Darwanism we stress today in schools and such is not the actually theory that Charles Darwan actually stressed. But that's not the point. That actually has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to get across...

 

I never stated that only Jews were killed. In fact many people were killed. Homosexuals, Crippled, and others. Blacks were never killed; but rather sterilized. Which, I myself would consider a form of murder, but you shouldn't because you are pro-choice.

 

Honestly I don't even see how one could even possibly compare the two. Sure, we killed the Native Americans. But why should you care? If I am correctly thinking I was told that you support the theory of "Everything is the effect of a cause". So why would any of us be looked down upon for killing anybody? In fact, what would be the point of jail? If they were predetermined to kill, why should they be punished?

 

You've got to look at it from the statistical point of view. Whats worse, a single person dying or an entire building? Besides; this nation has been the cause of many great inventions.

 

Comparing Hitler's Rule to the American republic of today would be like comparing a serial killer to say... a drunk driver who hit someone head on.

 

Oh yeah and the thing about invading Afghanastan (or however you spell it) the fact that we thought they would even consider attacking our homeland would be a reason to invade...:|

 

First off, we knew the Taliban would not have done s*** to our homeland. Afghanistan had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

 

Second off, I know you said nothing of the Holocaust, that was me ranting about how Jewish people are (they're annoying). I'm just saying you cannot pull the Holocaust card without the same card being pulled concerning the Native Genocide and the Slave Trades.

 

How can you see America so innocently? We dropped the bombs on the Japanese when we could have lost the lives of soldiers over civillians (which is HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN). We allowed the Palmer Raids and we allowed Senator McCarthy to run rampant on his Ghost Hunt. We not only ignored the information from Australian Intel concerning the Pearl Harbor bombing, we ignored our own radar that showed the planes enter the islands, just so that we could go to war. We did the same thing to get into WWI, Vietnam, and inevitably, The Iraq War and Afghanistan invasion. I'm not saying anything about an inside job, that is blasphemous, but to assume we did not know it was going to happen, and that we could not have prevented it, is also blasphemous. Our nation is one of many evils, we allow business to grow into uncontrollable power, and make people work hard for nothing. The only difference there is that the people in America think that they live a decent life.

 

A Single Death is A Tragedy, a Million is a Statistic. These word are essentially saying don't cry over spilt milk. Sure, one person dying might be sad, but as more die, it really does not make much more difference, as no matter how you look at it, life is lost. Numbers are irrelevant. Plus, its not like 6.5 billion people NEED to be alive. Essentially what America is doing now is creating a "Business run Dictatorship without tears." we are ruled by lives of work, where we are paid to spend our money to help other businesses, and in turn, are puppets of our own associated businesses because our spending of money on other business allows more money to be in the hands of people who spend money on our business. The difference between business rule and Hitler's rule, and the key difference that keeps seeming to show its ugly face in this point, is that America covers up the bullsh-t while Hitler was far more direct.

 

Why do I care that Natives were killed? I do not, I am just saying that the deaths that Hitler caused are in essense, the same as those America's foundation and continued existence cause(d).

 

p.s. Sterilization on a mass scale has been contemplated by some of the most profound American minds. It just might happen. Careful when drinking unfiltered water there buddy ;)

 

There was no "Native Genocide". There are still Natives Around. We had no interest in ending the Native American Race. We merely needed them for their working skills.

 

And here's the way I look at it. Yeah one life is a tragedy; so you don't see billions of lives lost as being a tragedy? The way you throw words around is ... insensative whilst being completely based on emotion. "Why do 6.5 Billion people need life anyway?" Wtf? That's horrible to say if you take in to consideration what you are really saying. Oh yeah and bombing Japan was necessary. It ended a lot of struggle; and they could have ended up taking over the world.

 

Basically this is my argument:

 

Hitler had no supportive reasons for killing the Jews. He simply wanted to end their race because of past troubles in his life and blamed them for his economical imbalances.

 

America killed Native Americans so we could start a free independant civilization and eventually evolve to be a world power.

 

Your argument seems to be:

 

Killing is killing, so what's the difference. A life lost is a life lost; numbers mean nothing.

 

 

 

Honestly, look at the differences between our arguments...

 

 

P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not steril yet....:O....Maybe I should check.... Be back in about 7 mins.... XD

 

My argument has been: Hitler killed people, and we killed people. We killed them to established a "silent" Corporate Dictatorship, he killed people to "purify" his already prominent dictator ship. There was a Native Genocide, because before America's existence, the reason for the white people being in America was colonization, one of Avarice, which is just as unjust as a reason completely based on hate. Then again, Europe as a whole didn't really have any reasons for any evil acts they went into before the creation of America.

 

*waits 6 mins*

[Willieh]

Hitler was a manipulative egoistic buffoon. Had he not diverted his attention to the Jewish holocaust' date=' he would have been more successful.

 

Honestly there was nothing good about this man. He was only skilled in manipulating others. He was not a very great leader.

 

On a social level yes he was intelligent. On a political level he was a f***ing moron.

 

But then again; it all depends on your own personal thoughts of him.

 

He was inteligent but his madness overcame his intlligence.

He killed million of people adn for what?

He killed jews only because he thought of them as an unpure race. So that gives him the power to kill?

Hitler was the greatest killer humanity has ever known

 

Lol @ using "he killed people" to separate him from the American powers.

 

As if Colombus isn't responsible for all Native American Oppression' date=' and while we are at it, the black slave trade as well.

[/quote']

 

That's hardly a comparison. The black slave trade; uggghhhh don't get me started. I'll skip that for now.

 

Okay let's say the spaniards came here and "Oppressed" the Native Americans. We have payed the price in today's society. They have reserves where pretty much almost NO laws apply to them. I feel remorse for our actions, but I don't pity them.

 

The black slave trade; ick. This wasn't even as bad as people make out to be. Most slaves were treated fairly. Besides, the BLACK slave trade is a very stupid way to put it. A better way to put it would be "a slave trade that took place over time." We didn't single out black people. We chose them because they were the best choice for us to use as slaves. They didn't know the area they were being brought into as well as the Native Americans, and they could stand the heat. We couldn't. We tried several others before resorting to the Africans. This included EUROPEANS as well. Nobody was racist back then, we just chose the one that would be best for our economical improvement. Besides they ended up better off. Had we not saved them from that hell hole they call a country, they would still be over there with horrible disease and famine. Now I know you're thinking "Woah! He just went way out of line!" but it's the truth. It's not racism; it is fact. They are undoubtably one of the richest continents on earth as far as natural rescourse goes, they just don't properly use what they could use.

 

This has gone on way too long anyway. The bottom line is America>Hitler's Dictatorship.

 

Well your long paragraph raises the question; Is Darwinism equivilant Racism? I am Anti-Capitalist, and thus Anti-Darwinist, to me, they are no different.

 

And on the issue of Hitler being worse than America; let me ask you this. Does Human Life make a difference? Do numbers mean anything? I think it is fair to say that a single death is a tragedy; but it is just as equally fair to say that a million is a statistic[1]. The comparison between Colombus and Hitler was to show that numbers are essentially the same in these matters, to compare the existence of these two nations.

 

Both nations were capitalist.

Both nations had an elite class (some are just too blind to see that this is true in America)

Both nations attack other nations for lack of reason against the NATION they are attacking, rather, in our case, we think we can walk into Cambodia because the Viet Kong is getting weapon supplies from there. We think we can invade Afghanistan because a former CIA Tactician that became angry when we drove him out of Saudi Arabia in 1998 and decided to plan an attack on our homeland that our government knew about and still allowed to happened. Hitler declared war on all of Europe, and the only difference is that he was more direct with his people concerning why he did these actions.

 

Oh, and the holocaust card.... being of Jewish decendancy, I can say that it is taken too seriously. There have been many genocides in History, and to be quite honest, Jews only remember it because Jews died. They don't even care that a Million Catholics died, or that blacks and gays died. They will be like, but it was SIX MILLION JEWS. SIX MILLION, THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION OF ANYONE ELSE, IT WAS SIX MILLION OF US. Seriously, they need to get over themselves, genocide isn't all bad, though it should not be of the Jewish people specifically, it is something that can be quite useful when there are too many people alive as it is.

 

War totals make no difference, on the standard of how things went down, the offense of the actions, they are equal, for we are founded on Genocide while he wasted his time on it. We deceive our people to the point in which they think we fight justified wars. At least Hitler was up-front about the fact that he thought it was Germany's right to take back Poland and the Loraine. We create moral's, rather, we stole them from "God" and claim to fight for them and our freedom when we break so many of those morals and freedoms of our people. A nation cannot be free if it oppresses others.[2] It only takes 5 minutes of reading up on what the US occupation of the Phillippenes was like to understand my point.

 

Oh, and Western Ethic, that killing is wrong, that we treat others the way we like to be treated, is not only lacking fact to back it up, but eminates hypocritically through the land of the jailed home of the slave.[3] It is embarassing to say the least that we live in a nation founded on such great ideas and to see that when the ability to control this freedom is put into the wrong hands, business gets too much, and the people get too little.

 

I'm not advocating Hitler, not to any degree. Simply put, I am showing you how his actions are on the same level.... maybe not in strength of action, but in sinister mentality, as America's.

 

[1] Credit: Joseph Stalin

[2] Credit: Vladimir Lenin

[3] Credit: Kyprios (Piece: Hate)

 

I've bolded several things in your paragraph. First of all, I must say you raise very valid points. But the way you view things are...unsensible. You consider one life taken to be a tragedy. Well it is. But that's like saying I have one dollar so I'm as rich as this mult-billion air. It makes no sense.

 

The first real point I will raise is that the Darwanism we stress today in schools and such is not the actually theory that Charles Darwan actually stressed. But that's not the point. That actually has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to get across...

 

I never stated that only Jews were killed. In fact many people were killed. Homosexuals, Crippled, and others. Blacks were never killed; but rather sterilized. Which, I myself would consider a form of murder, but you shouldn't because you are pro-choice.

 

Honestly I don't even see how one could even possibly compare the two. Sure, we killed the Native Americans. But why should you care? If I am correctly thinking I was told that you support the theory of "Everything is the effect of a cause". So why would any of us be looked down upon for killing anybody? In fact, what would be the point of jail? If they were predetermined to kill, why should they be punished?

 

You've got to look at it from the statistical point of view. Whats worse, a single person dying or an entire building? Besides; this nation has been the cause of many great inventions.

 

Comparing Hitler's Rule to the American republic of today would be like comparing a serial killer to say... a drunk driver who hit someone head on.

 

Oh yeah and the thing about invading Afghanastan (or however you spell it) the fact that we thought they would even consider attacking our homeland would be a reason to invade...:|

 

First off, we knew the Taliban would not have done s*** to our homeland. Afghanistan had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

 

Second off, I know you said nothing of the Holocaust, that was me ranting about how Jewish people are (they're annoying). I'm just saying you cannot pull the Holocaust card without the same card being pulled concerning the Native Genocide and the Slave Trades.

 

How can you see America so innocently? We dropped the bombs on the Japanese when we could have lost the lives of soldiers over civillians (which is HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN). We allowed the Palmer Raids and we allowed Senator McCarthy to run rampant on his Ghost Hunt. We not only ignored the information from Australian Intel concerning the Pearl Harbor bombing, we ignored our own radar that showed the planes enter the islands, just so that we could go to war. We did the same thing to get into WWI, Vietnam, and inevitably, The Iraq War and Afghanistan invasion. I'm not saying anything about an inside job, that is blasphemous, but to assume we did not know it was going to happen, and that we could not have prevented it, is also blasphemous. Our nation is one of many evils, we allow business to grow into uncontrollable power, and make people work hard for nothing. The only difference there is that the people in America think that they live a decent life.

 

A Single Death is A Tragedy, a Million is a Statistic. These word are essentially saying don't cry over spilt milk. Sure, one person dying might be sad, but as more die, it really does not make much more difference, as no matter how you look at it, life is lost. Numbers are irrelevant. Plus, its not like 6.5 billion people NEED to be alive. Essentially what America is doing now is creating a "Business run Dictatorship without tears." we are ruled by lives of work, where we are paid to spend our money to help other businesses, and in turn, are puppets of our own associated businesses because our spending of money on other business allows more money to be in the hands of people who spend money on our business. The difference between business rule and Hitler's rule, and the key difference that keeps seeming to show its ugly face in this point, is that America covers up the bullsh-t while Hitler was far more direct.

 

Why do I care that Natives were killed? I do not, I am just saying that the deaths that Hitler caused are in essense, the same as those America's foundation and continued existence cause(d).

 

p.s. Sterilization on a mass scale has been contemplated by some of the most profound American minds. It just might happen. Careful when drinking unfiltered water there buddy ;)

 

There was no "Native Genocide". There are still Natives Around. We had no interest in ending the Native American Race. We merely needed them for their working skills.

 

And here's the way I look at it. Yeah one life is a tragedy; so you don't see billions of lives lost as being a tragedy? The way you throw words around is ... insensative whilst being completely based on emotion. "Why do 6.5 Billion people need life anyway?" Wtf? That's horrible to say if you take in to consideration what you are really saying. Oh yeah and bombing Japan was necessary. It ended a lot of struggle; and they could have ended up taking over the world.

 

Basically this is my argument:

 

Hitler had no supportive reasons for killing the Jews. He simply wanted to end their race because of past troubles in his life and blamed them for his economical imbalances.

 

America killed Native Americans so we could start a free independant civilization and eventually evolve to be a world power.

 

Your argument seems to be:

 

Killing is killing, so what's the difference. A life lost is a life lost; numbers mean nothing.

 

 

 

Honestly, look at the differences between our arguments...

 

 

P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not steril yet....:O....Maybe I should check.... Be back in about 7 mins.... XD

 

My argument has been: Hitler killed people, and we killed people. We killed them to established a "silent" Corporate Dictatorship, he killed people to "purify" his already prominent dictator ship. There was a Native Genocide, because before America's existence, the reason for the white people being in America was colonization, one of Avarice, which is just as unjust as a reason completely based on hate. Then again, Europe as a whole didn't really have any reasons for any evil acts they went into before the creation of America.

 

*waits 6 mins*

 

Meh...The way I look at it, people have always been evil. But the people who commit the biggest crime should pay the highest price. Whoever killed the most should carry the cross.