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Obviously. That's why he asked.

The reason is that perfectly innocent cards become Pot-of-Greed-except-better.

 

I know. I've heard the reasoning' date=' only that it always brings up the lollipop trio of Premature, Reborn, and CotH. So dispose of them.

 

Of course, often as a last resort, whoever it is I'm talking to brings up the existence of Limit Reverse and Angel Lift. Never mind if both cards have only Disk as their only target; would all that resulting drawing have a win condition to satisfy that drawing?

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With the decent variety of cards that are available / will become available to summon Disk, you can get a lot of fast drawing. Combined with Destiny Draw... who cares if you have a prominent way to a win condition? You can easily draw cards quickly with little cost, and if you lose with amazing advantage, then...

 

Reasoning and Monster Gate simply imply that you are running a deck with a low monster count' date=' implying in turn that you will be recieving a vanilla, instead of a Darklord, most of the time.

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Low monster count = Vanillas now?

 

On Disk: Disk screams for a win condition, more usable targets aside from itself (supposing we'll be using Limit Reverse and Angel Lift), and consistency. Satisfy those, and I'll change my mind.

No it doesn't. All disk is is mindless draw, and mindless draw is bad for the game.

On Darklord: Unless you have a DARK monster in your hand, you won't be having a field wipe, now, is it? That happens in decks with a low monster count... right?

If you don't have the dark monster it is a 2800 ATK beatstick.

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No it doesn't. All disk is is mindless draw, and mindless draw is bad for the game.

 

Minldless, aimless drawing gets everyone nowhere. Build me a consistent deck with 3 Disk in it, with a win condition, and I change my mind.

 

If you don't have the dark monster it is a 2800 ATK beatstick.

 

Do you, then, advocate the banning of a 2800 ATK beatstick?

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Lol.

 

If Disk Commander was at 3, you could use Inferno Reckless Summon and draw 6 cards.

 

Regardless, you aren't good at this game apparently, not that I am either, but you seem to have some trouble understanding things.

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Lol.

 

If Disk Commander was at 3' date=' you could use Inferno Reckless Summon and draw 6 cards.

 

Regardless, you aren't good at this game apparently, not that I am either, but you seem to have some trouble understanding things.

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You get six 6 cards, yes (though I deem it impossible). Problem is the consistency and the win condition that goes with deckbuilding.

 

And, no, I don't know myself. Haven't played competitively.

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No it doesn't. All disk is is mindless draw' date=' and mindless draw is bad for the game.[/i']

 

Minldless, aimless drawing gets everyone nowhere. Build me a consistent deck with 3 Disk in it, with a win condition, and I change my mind.

Yes it does get people some where. It makes it easier for people to get out their win condition.

If you don't have the dark monster it is a 2800 ATK beatstick.

 

Do you, then, advocate the banning of a 2800 ATK beatstick?

No. But if you can't use his effect, that what he is, and a 2800 beatstick with a Rageki in the wings is nice. Also DAD is a 2800 point beatstick once his effect has been used.

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Yes it does get people some where. It makes it easier for people to get out their win condition.

 

With only Limit Reverse and Angel Lift as revival, and with only 3 targets for either? I doubt any deck based on it will be consistent enough for competition.

 

No. But if you can't use his effect, that what he is, and a 2800 beatstick with a Rageki in the wings is nice. Also DAD is a 2800 point beatstick once his effect has been used.

 

So what? Its only usefulness is in a DARK deck; you need to dedicate your deck to running this card, as well as to shielding yourself from the fallout of self-destruction. DAD? No such self-destructive weakness.

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Yes it does get people some where. It makes it easier for people to get out their win condition.

 

With only Limit Reverse and Angel Lift as revival' date=' and with only 3 targets for either? I doubt any deck based on it will be consistent enough for competition.

[b']So, their still their. It is very is to get disk into the grave, and once their you can revive him with those cards[/b]

No. But if you can't use his effect, that what he is, and a 2800 beatstick with a Rageki in the wings is nice. Also DAD is a 2800 point beatstick once his effect has been used.

 

So what? Its only usefulness is in a DARK deck; you need to dedicate your deck to running this card, as well as to shielding yourself from the fallout of self-destruction. DAD? No such self-destructive weakness.

Your acting like the self-destruction is a big deal. It's not if you win that turn. Besides cards don't last on the field for more than 2 turns. So even if Darklord didn't kill himself, odds are he would gone by your next turn. Same goes for DAD

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So, they're still there. It is very easy is to get disk into the grave, and once there you can revive him with those cards.

 

With 3 targets? If leads to inconsistencies, you know. And, as I have raised, what about win conditions?

 

You're acting like the self-destruction is a big deal. It's not if you win that turn. Besides cards don't last on the field for more than 2 turns. So even if Darklord didn't kill himself, odds are he would gone by your next turn. Same goes for DAD.

 

Self-destruction IS a big deal if you can't finish the game the turn you activate Darklord's effect, and you haven't any other monster. And sadly, the fact that the banlist has already disposed of the only way to do such (Dimension Fusion summoning monsters removed by DAD's effect) means that Darklord cannot do so nowadays.

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You're losing this arguement, Tabris.

 

Disk Commander can be brought back with Monster Reborn, Premature Burial, Limit Reverse, Angel Lift, and Fear Monger, allowing you to draw a total 22 cards.

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You're losing this arguement' date=' Tabris.

 

Disk Commander can be brought back with Monster Reborn, Premature Burial, Limit Reverse, Angel Lift, and Fear Monger, allowing you to draw a total 22 cards.

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First two are banworthy.

 

Limit Reverse and Angel Lift require dedication.

 

Fear Monger is themed.

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So' date=' they're still there. It is very easy is to get disk into the grave, and once there you can revive him with those cards.[/i']

 

With 3 targets? If leads to inconsistencies, you know. And, as I have raised, what about win conditions?

It might lead to inconsistencies, but seeing hot it is easy enough to Disk in the grave by your second, or third turn it won't be a major problem. Also, I sure that in most decks their would be other worth while targets

You're acting like the self-destruction is a big deal. It's not if you win that turn. Besides cards don't last on the field for more than 2 turns. So even if Darklord didn't kill himself, odds are he would gone by your next turn. Same goes for DAD.

 

Self-destruction IS a big deal if you can't finish the game the turn you activate Darklord's effect, and you haven't any other monster. And sadly, the fact that the banlist has already disposed of the only way to do such (Dimension Fusion summoning monsters removed by DAD's effect) means that Darklord cannot do so nowadays.

If you can't win the game on that turn, why would you use the effect?

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Oh' date=' no, feel free to continue arguing.

 

However, stop arguing badly.

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Disk Commander can be brought back with Limit Reverse and Angel Lift, allowing you to draw 12 cards. That's like using six Pot of Greed.

 

Why would you use Darklord Zerato's effect if you couldn't win during the turn that you used it?

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