GORZ!?

[The Dark One]

But then you missed your chance to attack. That's the whole point of nuking the field. (aside from the gained card advantage, of course.)

 

Also, Dark Bribe negates Pot, so you don't draw 2 for it, you just draw 1 for Bribe. What did you think would happen?

[werewolfjedi]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz. Also, how would not using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

if this is a DaD end attack as the normal situation' date=' if the player attacks with DaD first, they lose their chance and basically just screwed themselves over, so the rule is going to become "DaD last" to finish them, or to kill gorz or the token, mattering on the size of the token.

this is going to make the end game so much more fun.

[/quote']

 

You know....that might work. However, people will most likely be aware of this fact, so I wouldn't be too sure.

 

it becomes much more about the timing of her play, chooseing to ether wait for the right moment, or saving your life points.

[Phantom Roxas]

But then you missed your chance to attack. That's the whole point of nuking the field. (aside from the gained card advantage' date=' of course.)

 

Also, Dark Bribe negates Pot, so you don't draw 2 for it, you just draw 1 for Bribe. What did you think would happen?

[/quote']

 

Sure you missed your chance, but at least you blew up Gorz.

 

And my mistake about Dark Bribe.

[Blue Lightning]

lthough this could be an alternative to DAD, we should also take into account that the DAD deck itself could benefit from this cards release

[Phantom Roxas]

Many people have already thought of that. I really don't want to see if Tele-DAD benefits from this.

[werewolfjedi]

Many people have already thought of that. I really don't want to see if Tele-DAD benefits from this.

 

is there even enough room for her in that deck.

[Phantom Roxas]

People could make "adjustments" to add in Gorz.

[The Dark One]

A 41 card deck with Gorz is better than a 40 card deck without.

[CrabHelmet]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz.

 

Wow, I may have needed to use Mirror Force, but at least I stopped Dimension Fusion.

 

By the way, are you implying that counterability implies balance?

 

Wait, what?

 

You heard me.

 

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Your opponent has Gorz, and most likely Kaien, out. Tell me when I should use Vortex.

 

You should use it during Main Phase 2. In the absence of Gorz, you would almost certainly use it during Main Phase 1. Gorz forces plays that are otherwise sub-optimal.

 

Also, suppose you happen to not have Lightning Vortex in your hand at exactly the right time? What are you going to do, spend a Smashing and a PWWB, or whatever else happens to be handy?

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

Dark Bribe makes the opponent draw three cards now? I didn't hear about that errata.

 

Your example was using Dark Bribe, which makes your opponent draw one card, against Pot of Greed, which makes your opponent draw two card. 1+2=3.

 

You are unfit to carry on further discussion.

[Phantom Roxas]

You're up against Gorz' date=' so if you still have Lightning Vortex, it would be wise to use it just to get rid of such a threat.

[/quote']

 

Which means that Gorz is an instant +1 for you and forces the opponent to spend their removal at a time in which they are unable to take full advantage of its effects.

 

This post confuses me, but I somewhat understand you.

 

It's like this: Even in a worst-case scenario for the player using Gorz, the mere use of Gorz is still highly damaging to the opponent, who is forced to -1 themselves and use their removal when they don't want to use it in order to avoid losing.

 

That's the worst-case scenario, mind you.

 

Yes, it would be the worst-case scenario, but at least you got rid of Gorz.

 

Wow, I may have needed to use Mirror Force, but at least I stopped Dimension Fusion.

 

By the way, are you implying that counterability implies balance?

 

Wait, what?

 

You heard me.

 

Well, I don't understand the part about Mirror Force or Dimension Prison, but Stardust Dragon provides counterability (Checks to make sure I understood it correctly), but it's not balanced.

 

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Your opponent has Gorz, and most likely Kaien, out. Tell me when I should use Vortex.

 

You should use it during Main Phase 2. In the absence of Gorz, you would almost certainly use it during Main Phase 1. Gorz forces plays that are otherwise sub-optimal.

 

Also, suppose you happen to not have Lightning Vortex in your hand at exactly the right time? What are you going to do, spend a Smashing and a PWWB, or whatever else happens to be handy?

 

Oh' date=' and by the way, you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed.

[/quote']

 

Aside from my apparently n00bish question, what does that have to do with this?

 

You can Lightning Vortex a Gorz, and you can Dark Bribe a Pot of Greed. But in each case, you're still -1'ing yourself in your best case scenario.

 

You discard one card if you Lightning Vortex Gorz, but your opponent draws three cards if you Dark Bribe Pot of Greed, but that would only be possible in Traditional. But why compare a last-resort combo with an illegal (In Advanced, anyway) combo?

 

Dark Bribe makes the opponent draw three cards now? I didn't hear about that errata.

 

Your example was using Dark Bribe, which makes your opponent draw one card, against Pot of Greed, which makes your opponent draw two card. 1+2=3.

 

You are unfit to carry on further discussion.

 

The Dark One made me realize my mistake right there. Focused too much on drawing that I forgot about negating.

[Darkerai]

Ugh now we all have to know what order to attack just incase the opponent has a giant Godzilla version of Kuribo!

[werewolfjedi]

Ugh now we all have to know what order to attack just incase the opponent has a giant Godzilla version of Kuribo!

 

this is no kuribo, this is Gorz, its on a totally different level. the funny thing is, if you can bring them down for the finishing blow before clearing their field, (as in 1 big hit, not swarm win.) they can't play Gorz, so she is actually useless late game, where you can't afford to take a hit. not that most decks get to the late game these days.

[Azuh]

Bump

 

Gorz has been added to the ban list

 

http://shriektcg.twoday.net/stories/5138616/

 

At least we wouldnt have to worry if it was at 3

[Sixty]

Bump

 

Gorz has been added to the ban list

 

http://shriektcg.twoday.net/stories/5138616/

 

At least we wouldnt have to worry if it was at 3

 

LOL. It was Limited before it was released.

 

At least they saw it coming.

[Phantom Roxas]

That is just major lolz. Oh well, at least it was Limited.

[werewolfjedi]

jerks, not letting the meta change more quickly by making field wiping a bad idea.

( i kid, this is a good thing in the end.)

[The Dark One]

Gorz should have been unlimited. That way people would have realized how not-fun it made the game and forced Konami to ban it.

[Darkerai]

Ugh now we all have to know what order to attack just incase the opponent has a giant Godzilla version of Kuribo!

 

this is no kuribo' date=' this is Gorz, its on a totally different level. the funny thing is, if you can bring them down for the finishing blow before clearing their field, (as in 1 big hit, not swarm win.) they can't play Gorz, so she is actually useless late game, where you can't afford to take a hit. not that most decks get to the late game these days.

[/quote']

 

Woops when I said kuribo I meant the idea that his effect activates in the hand and if my memory serves me right I believe kuribo was the first hand effect were you discard a monster for the effect. Oh and it just gets really deppressing when everyone is forced to stay at the hobbey legue level and pray no one runs DAD or Lightsworns because in two turns they maliciously beat the crap out of you with there win cards that range from 200=300 dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GenzoTheHarpist]

People at Hobby Leagues don't run meta decks?

 

Wow, I must be unlucky.

[Phantom Roxas]

Gorz should have been unlimited. That way people would have realized how not-fun it made the game and forced Konami to ban it.

 

Maybe a similar effect will come about.

[Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer]

gorz is the anti-win. simple as that.

it stops DaD after your field is emptied.

it stops JD

hell' date=' it even stops old school demise.

 

[b']ULTRA WIN.[/b]

 

more or less, it stops the big boss win cards.

 

ULTRA WIN.

 

but not the small stuff, which is important.

 

in the end it is a safe-guard against OTK that isn't a one shot kill like the life equalizer/ blasting the ruins combo is. (I have to say, that deck is so unfair.)

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The World Ends With Gorz

 

So true.

 

I love TWEWY.

 

now player' date=' we play for keeps.

[/quote']

 

*pwns you with Lightning Rook, Excalibur, and other overpowered Pegaso pins*

[werewolfjedi]

gorz is the anti-win. simple as that.

it stops DaD after your field is emptied.

it stops JD

hell' date=' it even stops old school demise.

 

[b']ULTRA WIN.[/b]

 

more or less, it stops the big boss win cards.

 

ULTRA WIN.

 

but not the small stuff, which is important.

 

in the end it is a safe-guard against OTK that isn't a one shot kill like the life equalizer/ blasting the ruins combo is. (I have to say, that deck is so unfair.)

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The World Ends With Gorz

 

So true.

 

I love TWEWY.

 

now player' date=' we play for keeps.

[/quote']

 

*pwns you with Lightning Rook, Excalibur, and other overpowered Pegaso pins*

 

yeah, but they are hard to get your hands on them if you don't have a lot of crap already.

[Phantom Roxas]

gorz is the anti-win. simple as that.

it stops DaD after your field is emptied.

it stops JD

hell' date=' it even stops old school demise.

 

[b']ULTRA WIN.[/b]

 

more or less, it stops the big boss win cards.

 

ULTRA WIN.

 

but not the small stuff, which is important.

 

in the end it is a safe-guard against OTK that isn't a one shot kill like the life equalizer/ blasting the ruins combo is. (I have to say, that deck is so unfair.)

---

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The World Ends With Gorz

 

So true.

 

I love TWEWY.

 

now player' date=' we play for keeps.

[/quote']

 

*pwns you with Lightning Rook, Excalibur, and other overpowered Pegaso pins*

 

yeah, but they are hard to get your hands on them if you don't have a lot of crap already.

 

Make a TWEWY thread and discuss pins there.

 

Anyway:

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Your opponent has Gorz, and most likely Kaien, out. Tell me when I should use Vortex.

 

You should use it during Main Phase 2. In the absence of Gorz, you would almost certainly use it during Main Phase 1. Gorz forces plays that are otherwise sub-optimal.

 

Also, suppose you happen to not have Lightning Vortex in your hand at exactly the right time? What are you going to do, spend a Smashing and a PWWB, or whatever else happens to be handy?

 

I'll still blow up Gorz.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

 

November 11th nice.

 

It also seems green baboon is in that pack.

[CrabHelmet]

Anyway:

Also' date=' how would [i']not[/i] using it allow them to avoid losing?

 

You have misread my post. They need to use it in order to avoid losing, even though it would normally be far better to use it at a different time.

 

Your opponent has Gorz, and most likely Kaien, out. Tell me when I should use Vortex.

 

You should use it during Main Phase 2. In the absence of Gorz, you would almost certainly use it during Main Phase 1. Gorz forces plays that are otherwise sub-optimal.

 

Also, suppose you happen to not have Lightning Vortex in your hand at exactly the right time? What are you going to do, spend a Smashing and a PWWB, or whatever else happens to be handy?

 

I'll still blow up Gorz.

 

Sure, let's keep Gorz around, since if the opponent is lucky they'll be able to spend two cards to stop him. And then let's legalize Delinquent Duo. After all, the opponent loses two cards from their hand, but Delinquent Duo gets dumped in the graveyard. Sounds fair.