CrabHelmet Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently, nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_> Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Then again, you have to remember the time period he was living in. Most people were not educated back then, and even the educated did not receive the education kids today have. Other than that, it is true. Most of his scripts and plays don't include a motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I would say that his worst flaw would be that he didn't use proper english making his stories really hard to read but other than that, youve got a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/quote'] Wrong. I'm a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 ' pid='1310423' dateline='1225678167']Then again' date=' you have to remember the time period he was living in. Most people were not educated back then, and even the educated did not receive the education kids today have.[/quote'] It's not so much a matter of education as it is one of basic human nature. Humans are greedy pigs; they want a reward for their hard work. I would say that his worst flaw would be that he didn't use proper english making his stories really hard to read It was proper English a few centuries ago. Language evolves over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that [b']people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today".[/b] >_> Discuss. My good sir, you seem to be wrong in your assumption. Why, I often decide to be a prick to people just because I wish to be one. It really can be a joyfull experiance being mean for no reason. You should try it sir ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 True, but Shakespeare is amazing, no Question.However, Hamlet sounds like a Meaty Midget XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 the form of english they used to use is astounding, its amazing that the terms they used were understandable, as opposed to modern language used today where to us, shakespeare's time doesnt make any sense at all to somebody un-educated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today".[/b'] >_> Discuss. What about on Halloween? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I didn't really notice. The villains in the plays that I've heard of and seen had lots of motivation. Like in Richard III, Richie killed those princes and those other people because he wanted to get to the throne. Claudius poisoned King Hamlet because he wanted to get to the throne, too. And that duke (I forgot his name) guy from The Tempest cast Prospero and his daughter Miranda onto a little dinghy and left them to die because he wanted to get to the throne to... Wait, am I seeing a pattern here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today".[/b'] >_> Discuss. What about on Halloween? o u sneeky devil u I didn't really notice. The villains in the plays that I've heard of and seen had lots of motivation. Like in Richard III' date=' Richie killed those princes and those other people because he wanted to get to the throne. Claudius poisoned King Hamlet because he wanted to get to the throne, too. And that duke (I forgot his name) guy from The Tempest cast Prospero and his daughter Miranda onto a little dinghy and left them to die because he wanted to get to the throne to... Wait, am I seeing a pattern here?[/quote'] Well, if you are going to write about those with power, power struggles are probably going to be important, and what power struggle is greater than that of the throne? True, many villains had motivations, but what about characters like Iago, Don John, and Aaron? Some certainly had token motivations - Iago whined about being passed over for promotion - but these aren't particularly convincing, and some - Don John, for example - didn't even get a token motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I didn't really notice. The villains in the plays that I've heard of and seen had lots of motivation. Like in Richard III' date=' Richie killed those princes and those other people because he wanted to get to the throne. Claudius poisoned King Hamlet because he wanted to get to the throne, too. And that duke (I forgot his name) guy from The Tempest cast Prospero and his daughter Miranda onto a little dinghy and left them to die because he wanted to get to the throne to... Wait, am I seeing a pattern here?[/quote'] Well, in Shakespeare for Dummies, it does mention how usurpation of the throne was a common element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Education, my dear CrabI mean, think about those people, geniuses like Shakespeare who was born as smart as Albert Einstein. But no education! Does that mean something to you or is this statement absolute shiz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I figured it was just because starting life as a commoner and seeing the rich 'pick on them' for no reason simply gave him a somewhat bitter outlook on life, specifically rich people. Just a random thought. Of course, he ALSO did comedies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I would say that his worst flaw would be that he didn't use proper english making his stories really hard to read but other than that' date=' youve got a point[/quote']actually that form of english he used was the proper one at his time & that was like about 400 years ago,so expect the language as weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exyst Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/quote'] I do, every day... Shakspeare, my friend did a video Complaining on it, i lol'ed badly at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/quote'] I do, every day... Shakspeare, my friend did a video Complaining on it, i lol'ed badly at it everyday =/= one day and shakespeare is awesome he's one of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakura Vessal Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say [b']"I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/b] Discuss. I do that! nway i dont know why he makes it hard to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say [b']"I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/b] Discuss. I do that! nway i dont know why he makes it hard to read that was proper english during his period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sick4u Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Shakespeare's Flaws: - His name has been translated way to many times, and as a result; you can't really interpret his original names correct spelling. - He apparently lacks motive in his stories. Actually, the lack of motive is found outside of villainy, now that I think about it. Take a Midsummer night's dream, for example. It doesn't explain how Demetrius (No, I can't remember the original spelling of their names. They're way to old-fashioned to recall off of memory.) suddenly lost interest in Helena; Nor why Hermia's father Egeus suddenly decided that Demetrius was gold for Hermia; as apposed to Lysander. The lack of motive is probably his worst flaw; but it's insignificant at that. =/. I disregard it whenever I [Rarely] read his work for the most part, for it doesn't really change the message trying to be conveyed in the story. Even if the message is unclear, his writing is still pretty entertaining without the inclusion of any villainy having motive. =/. Besides. Who's to say he wasn't one of those "there aren't people doing evil things, only evil people acting naturally" believers? =S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 hes english what do you expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/quote'] Wrong. I'm a prime example. He didn't seem capable of grasping the concept that villains need some motivation for doing evil things. An alarming number of his antagonists do villainous things not for their own benefit but rather because they just want to be evil. Apparently' date=' nobody told him that [b']people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today".[/b] >_> Discuss. My good sir, you seem to be wrong in your assumption. Why, I often decide to be a prick to people just because I wish to be one. It really can be a joyfull experiance being mean for no reason. You should try it sir ;) Apparently' date=' nobody told him that people don't randomly just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll be a villain today". >_>[/quote'] I do, every day... Shakspeare, my friend did a video Complaining on it, i lol'ed badly at it Villain =/= ass/dick/prick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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