TCG News: Crimson Crisis

[Phantom Roxas]

http://shriektcg.twoday.net/stories/5334644/

 

My main points are as follows:

 

1) Black Feather is now Blackwing.

2) Giant Bomber AIRRAID is now Flying Fortress SKY FIRE.

3) Dark Voltanis.

 

I actually like the name changes, but I don't have high hopes for a Dark Voltanis. Then again, it's Dark, so who knows?

 

Discuss.

[SephirothKirby]

Alien support?

 

lolwut

[Guest Star]

Flying Fortress SKY FIRE is a lot better than Giant Bomber AIRRAID in my opinion.

 

Dark Voltanis could be incredibly awesome like Darklord Zerato, or it could be incredibly bad like Dark Horus.

[iAmNateXero]

Now all they have to do is create about 4 more good dark fairy type monsters.

[Phantom Roxas]

Dark Voltanis is actually like Darklord Zerato, since they're both fallen angels. Unfortunately, there's a chance Tele-DAD would get stronger by it, if only for a month with luck.

[Catman25]

They've got a lot of pics for the cards on Yugioh Wikia. From what I've seen, those synchros are pretty impressive.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

They're STILL making Dark Counterparts? =/

[SephirothKirby]

So, I took a look at the cards in this set.

 

Holy hell, I love SKYFIRE, I want to build a deck around it.

 

Black Feather looks pretty cool, too. I might actually start buying cards again!

[Phantom Roxas]

They're STILL making Dark Counterparts? =/

 

Sadly yes' date=' and they have yet to make one for Gogiga Gagagigo.

 

So, I took a look at the cards in this set.

 

Holy hell, I love SKYFIRE, I want to build a deck around it.

 

Black Feather looks pretty cool, too. I might actually start buying cards again!

 

SKY FIRE looks cool at first, but when you think about it, he's not too good. All three monsters that make him a DARK, but he's WIND.

 

Blackwing are also not too good since they're Winged-Beasts, but they have potential.

 

But, if it gets you to buy cards again, that's good.

[CrabHelmet]

They're STILL making Dark Counterparts? =/

 

They pop up one at a time every so often, like Dark General Freed.

[Lazer Yoshi]

lolBombernamebanned

Well, let's hope I can get enough money for this.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Now they'll have to change the names of the reactors too...

 

Meh, I guess they didn't want something that referenced an air bomber in the TCG.

[Tekken Ham]

The new Alien Support is sexy.

I personally love Black Bomber and Dark Dive Bomber, but then I realise that Genex Neutron is needed for any sort of Machine Sync deck.

Dark Voltanis is a lose-lose situation.

1. Either it's a horrible card and a waste of a TCG exclusive, like many in the past. Remember Torax?

2. It's good enough to splash into Dark decks and gives Tele-DaD reasons to run Counter Traps and spins off a Counter Dark variant that not only is fast and destructive, but fucks up the other deck.

But there's still hope:

3. It could be good but it would require splashing Darks into Counter Faries, thus ending any chance of it being good.

 

I'm betting on my first point.

[MarbleZone]

Well, I don't know about you guys, but for some reason I think Blackwing sounds really damn catchy. :D

[Akira]

Dark Voltanis? Don't we already have a lv8 DARK that works with counter traps -coughvandagcough-

[iAmNateXero]

The new Alien Support is sexy.

I personally love Black Bomber and Dark Dive Bomber' date=' but then I realise that Genex Neutron is needed for any sort of Machine Sync deck.

Dark Voltanis is a lose-lose situation.

1. Either it's a horrible card and a waste of a TCG exclusive, like many in the past. Remember Torax?

2. It's good enough to splash into Dark decks and gives Tele-DaD reasons to run Counter Traps and spins off a Counter Dark variant that not only is fast and destructive, but fucks up the other deck.

But there's still hope:

3. It could be good but it would require splashing Darks into Counter Faries, thus ending any chance of it being good.

 

I'm betting on my first point.

[/quote']

 

Why would you have to splash Darks into Counter Faries, when you can simply splash Bountiful Arthritis into Dark Faries? Dark Fairies have DLZ, Dark Valkurie, Nurse, Summon priest (not a fairy, but works just the same), Dark Night (if your bold, but i wouldn't), and now Dark Voltaic. Counter faries are, ... Bountiful Arthritis and sometimes Harald. Thats about 4-5 against 2. Just look at it from a different angle.

 

Dark Voltanis? Don't we already have a lv8 DARK that works with counter traps -coughvandagcough-

 

Yes, but we need more dark fairies, Dark dragons are easy to come by.

[Exiro]

Yeah, I like the name changes too, but I still hate the fact that they change the names at all.

They're not their real names and no matter how good they are, I'll keep on calling them by their real names.

 

Also, I'm very curious about Dark Voltanis, because Voltanis himself is a cool card but is flawed because of his restriction, which not many DARK counterparts have.

 

 

Alien support?

 

lolwut

 

Actually, the new Alien Virus card is GOOD support and it's exactly what they needed.

It helps them distribute new A-Counters, which was the major flaw in the Alien strategy.

Without it, even Alien Revenger would hardly see any play due to the lack of A-Counters.

[Umbra]

Flying Fortress SKY FIRE is a lot better than Giant Bomber AIRRAID in my opinion.

 

However, I'm not looking forward to Summon Reactor SK, Trap Reactor YF, or Spell Reactor IRE.

[Tekken Ham]

The new Alien Support is sexy.

I personally love Black Bomber and Dark Dive Bomber' date=' but then I realise that Genex Neutron is needed for any sort of Machine Sync deck.

Dark Voltanis is a lose-lose situation.

1. Either it's a horrible card and a waste of a TCG exclusive, like many in the past. Remember Torax?

2. It's good enough to splash into Dark decks and gives Tele-DaD reasons to run Counter Traps and spins off a Counter Dark variant that not only is fast and destructive, but fucks up the other deck.

But there's still hope:

3. It could be good but it would require splashing Darks into Counter Faries, thus ending any chance of it being good.

 

I'm betting on my first point.

[/quote']

 

Why would you have to splash Darks into Counter Faries, when you can simply splash Bountiful Arthritis into Dark Faries? Dark Fairies have DLZ, Dark Valkurie, Nurse, Summon priest (not a fairy, but works just the same), Dark Night (if your bold, but i wouldn't), and now Dark Voltaic. Counter faries are, ... Bountiful Arthritis and sometimes Harald. Thats about 4-5 against 2. Just look at it from a different angle.

 

Dark Voltanis? Don't we already have a lv8 DARK that works with counter traps -coughvandagcough-

 

Yes' date=' but we need more dark fairies, Dark dragons are easy to come by.

[/quote']

 

 

How is Nurse good outside of her own burn?

Summon Priest can be splashed into nearly anything, that's like saying that Dark Fairies have Breaker, Monster Reborn, etc.

Making up names for cards is bad, considering a search for Dark Night leads to a bunch of links that so far, lead to nothing of interest.

Counter Fairies has Harvest Angel of Wisdom, Voltanis, and all the Fairy support.

So, wanna rethink your math?

The different angle I see seems like it will face the same problems as Twilight, and anything with Zombie World splashed in. It will look good on paper, but fail in playtests.

 

Back on to supporting my third point:

If the card required more Counter Fairy-esque cards as support as opposed to Darks, then Darks would have to be splashed into Counter Fairies. As opposed to splashing the Fairies and their support into Darks, which faces the issue that Twilight and anything with Zombie World face.

 

This probably won't be likely, but it has a good chance of coming true, I mean, this is UDE we're talking about. The same geniuses that brought us Torax.

[Megaworm]

Alien support?

 

lolwut

 

Actually' date=' the new Alien Virus card is GOOD support and it's exactly what they needed.

It helps them distribute new A-Counters, which was the major flaw in the Alien strategy.

Without it, even Alien Revenger would hardly see any play due to the lack of A-Counters.

[/quote']

 

Revenger? or Ravager?

 

Either way, i'm glad the aliens are getting support. I have a great alien deck but it sucks because i always end up having to kill the opponent before i can play with his monsters and take them over because of how fast other decks played, and everything ended up in the graveyard, got sent to the graveyard, or got discarded, meaning i could never take anything over. It was so slow i just threw Snatch Steal in there. Yes, it was that bad.

 

But new aliens? there is hope...

[The Dark One]

Alien support?

 

lolwut

 

Actually' date=' the new Alien Virus card is GOOD support and it's exactly what they needed.

It helps them distribute new A-Counters, which was the major flaw in the Alien strategy.

Without it, even Alien Revenger would hardly see any play due to the lack of A-Counters.

[/quote']

 

Revenger? or Ravager?

 

Either way, i'm glad the aliens are getting support. I have a great alien deck but it sucks because i always end up having to kill the opponent before i can play with his monsters and take them over because of how fast other decks played, and everything ended up in the graveyard, got sent to the graveyard, or got discarded, meaning i could never take anything over. It was so slow i just threw Snatch Steal in there. Yes, it was that bad.

 

But new aliens? there is hope...

 

You're saying that Snatch Steal is a bad card? It's on the forbidden list for a reason.

[iAmNateXero]

How is Nurse good outside of her own burn?

Dark fairies have the tech of Allure' date=' (like all dark decks) Upstart (Thanks Nurse!) and Soul Taker (OMG Nurse, THANKS AGAIN!) It also adds up to the dark number for Zerato, and becomes a Raigeki for... Oh look, ZERATO again. Would you rather deck Doma the angel of silence? o.O I didn't think so.

 

Summon Priest can be splashed into nearly anything, that's like saying that Dark Fairies have Breaker, Monster Reborn, etc.

Just like some pac man deck, splash Bountiful. Does that make it counter fairies?

 

Making up names for cards is bad' date=' considering a search for Dark Night leads to a bunch of links that so far, lead to nothing of interest.[/quote'] Yes because when i searched Google for "Breaker" It instantly went to "Breaker the Magical Warrior." Its called, Context clues and deductive reasoning. If where talking about "Dark Faries," What "Dark Fairy" could i posibly be talking about with a name like "Dark Knight?"

 

Counter Fairies has Harvest Angel of Wisdom' date=' Voltanis, and all the Fairy support.

So, wanna rethink your math?[/quote'] You mean the Voltanis nobody runs, and the Harvest who wasn't mass populated again until Yesterday? Yeah, they all run that. No... I think ill still hold on to my numbers.

 

The different angle I see seems like it will face the same problems as Twilight' date=' and anything with Zombie World splashed in. It will look good on paper, but fail in playtests.[/quote']Twilight is incomplete. Splashing cards for no reason is doomed to fail. Nothing you just stated proves, nor contradicts anything about the possibility that Dark Voltanis could in fact create the perfect ties for Dark Voltanis. And before you say anything, No neither have I, However, im not willing to leave anything out of the equation. The Facts are this. It will be Dark Attribute, and it will be Fairy Type. Thats enough for me.

 

Back on to supporting my third point:

If the card required more Counter Fairy-esque cards as support as opposed to Darks' date=' then Darks would have to be splashed into Counter Fairies. As opposed to splashing the Fairies and their support into Darks, which faces the issue that Twilight and anything with Zombie World face.[/quote'] I hate the term counter Faries. Just because a deck has Bountiful and counters in it, does not make it counter fairies. As far as im concerned, the deck type is still very inconstant, and lacks the "Fairy" element in its name.

 

This probably won't be likely' date=' but it has a good chance of coming true, I mean, this is UDE we're talking about. The same geniuses that brought us Torax.

[/quote'] Torax + a supportive GB Secutor is still a draw engine. Maybe not the best, but its still a draw engine. It takes people to think about how things CAN work, instead of complaining how things WONT work.

[Tekken Ham]

How is Nurse good outside of her own burn?

Dark fairies have the tech of Allure' date=' (like all dark decks) Upstart (Thanks Nurse!) and Soul Taker (OMG Nurse, THANKS AGAIN!) It also adds up to the dark number for Zerato, and becomes a Raigeki for... Oh look, ZERATO again. Would you rather deck Doma the angel of silence? o.O I didn't think so.

 

I still fail to see how the hell she is good outside of her own deck. I mean, OMG YAY BURN. There's better 1 for 1 removal, and there's better draw cards. I mean, Bountiful Artemis is there for a reason, as is the DHEROes and DARKS.

 

Summon Priest can be splashed into nearly anything, that's like saying that Dark Fairies have Breaker, Monster Reborn, etc.

Just like some pac man deck, splash Bountiful. Does that make it counter fairies?

 

Bountiful is now splashable? When did I miss this?

 

My point was that Summon Priest isn't really specific support if it supports nearly everything.

 

Making up names for cards is bad' date=' considering a search for Dark Night leads to a bunch of links that so far, lead to nothing of interest.[/quote'] Yes because when i searched Google for "Breaker" It instantly went to "Breaker the Magical Warrior." Its called, Context clues and deductive reasoning. If where talking about "Dark Faries," What "Dark Fairy" could i posibly be talking about with a name like "Dark Knight?"

 

Grepher? Again, there are no context clues in that, there are many other cards with Dark Knight as a clue. Dark Blade, Dark Blade the Dragon Knight, Armageddon Knight, and Dark Grepher all come to mind. Assuming it is Grepher, it is again, another splashable in Dark decks, how does this become type specific support?

 

Counter Fairies has Harvest Angel of Wisdom' date=' Voltanis, and all the Fairy support.

So, wanna rethink your math?[/quote'] You mean the Voltanis nobody runs, and the Harvest who wasn't mass populated again until Yesterday? Yeah, they all run that. No... I think ill still hold on to my numbers.

 

Harvest was still released as a Secret, just because it's a secret doesn't mean you get to assume no one in the TCG has it.

Also, the rest of the Fairy support says hi.

 

The different angle I see seems like it will face the same problems as Twilight' date=' and anything with Zombie World splashed in. It will look good on paper, but fail in playtests.[/quote']Twilight is incomplete. Splashing cards for no reason is doomed to fail. Nothing you just stated proves, nor contradicts anything about the possibility that Dark Voltanis could in fact create the perfect ties for Dark Voltanis. And before you say anything, No neither have I, However, im not willing to leave anything out of the equation. The Facts are this. It will be Dark Attribute, and it will be Fairy Type. Thats enough for me.

 

 

Back on to supporting my third point:

If the card required more Counter Fairy-esque cards as support as opposed to Darks' date=' then Darks would have to be splashed into Counter Fairies. As opposed to splashing the Fairies and their support into Darks, which faces the issue that Twilight and anything with Zombie World face.[/quote'] I hate the term counter Faries. Just because a deck has Bountiful and counters in it, does not make it counter fairies. As far as im concerned, the deck type is still very inconstant, and lacks the "Fairy" element in its name.

 

I used the term as a broad overview of the Counter Fairy archetype, as Fairy support still finds it's way into Counter Fairies.

 

This probably won't be likely' date=' but it has a good chance of coming true, I mean, this is UDE we're talking about. The same geniuses that brought us Torax.

[/quote'] Torax + a supportive GB Secutor is still a draw engine. Maybe not the best, but its still a draw engine. It takes people to think about how things CAN work, instead of complaining how things WONT work.

 

lolwut

 

Since when do GB's need to draw? I mean Respite is good, but that's usually to cycle back unwanted GB's.

 

The problem is Torax is too bad/slow to be run in anything outside of a casual deck, thus I can complain about how it won't work.

 

 

Notice how this arguement got off-topic fast.

With your need to challenge a hypothetical point, my need to challenge all of your points, and your need to challenge all of my points that challenged your points. And etc.

 

Final word and tl;dr:

All the points made were hypothetical situations, based on what UDE has done in the past.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough?

[werewolfjedi]

I have to so go to the sneak preview in feb.

 

I want arc, he will be some much fun.

[CrabHelmet]

So, I walked into this topic, and I saw someone saying that Torax was a great card and that the only problem was that people weren't imaginative to use it properly.

 

That was when I walked out of this topic. (Note: That was a lie; I posted this first.)