Official Pokemon Discussion. (The 5th gen starts now)

[Flame Dragon]

The first of my MANY sprite projects. First up is a basic type run down. Like the others to come I only care about final forms.

 

[spoiler=Type Run Down]

 

 

[burnpsy]

Prediction:

 

Ubers will be more chaotic than usual.

OU will be a sweeper fest and thus Blissey will be kicked out.

UU will essentially be DP OU without a few Pokemon.

[DeathSDelano]

Here are my opinions on the overview of a few of the pokemon

 

 

And i am Shocked that were have Dragon pokemon that is a basic pokemon

[spoiler=my overviews of some pokemon not all]

 

 

#523 Zeburaika Eletric Stage 1 Stats: 75/100/63/80/63/116 overview: Physical Sweeper what more to say

 

#553 Desukan Ghost Stage 1 Stats: 58/50/140/95/105/30 overview: low HPn Spd n ATK Great Def Good Sp. ATK n Sp. DEF basically a wall with a Sp. Punch

 

#565 abagoora Rock/Water Stage 1 Stats: 74/108/133/83/65/32 overview: decent hp n sp. ATK good ATK Great def meh Sp. Def low speed: However this guy has one plus on walling the ability Solid rock

 

#567 Aakeosu Rock/Flying Stage 1 Stats: 75/140/65/112/65/110 overview: decent hp Great ATK meh defs Good Sp. Atk n Speed

 

#589 Shubarugo Steet/Bug Stage 1 Stats: 70/135/105/60/105/20 overview: decent HP Great ATK decent Defs and really slow(trick room team?) and with only 1 weakest i don't think you have more to worry about imo

 

#593 Burunkeru Water/Ghost Stage 1 Stats: 100/60/70/85/105/60 overview: Good HP n Sp. Def decent Sp. ATK not much to say here but Sp. Wall

 

#594 Mamanbou Water basic stats: 165(highest of this gens pokes)/75/80/40/45/65 overview: High HP decent Def low Sp. Def and has some punch n speed behind it

 

#596 Denchura Bug/Eletric Stage 1 Stats: 70/77/60/97/60/108 overview: HP is decent. Is obv a Sp. Sweeper with good ATK n Speed

 

#598 Nattorei Grass/Steel Stage 1 Stats: 89/94/131/49/116/20 overview: Decent HP Good ATK n Sp. Def great Def. slow as any other wall type

 

#601 GigaGear Steel Stage 2 Stats: 60/100/115/70/85/90 overview: meh HP good ATK n DEF decent Sp. Def Surpising fast for a Steel Type.

 

#608 Shanderaa Ghost/Fire stage 2 Stats: 60/55/90/145/90/80 overview: Meh HP n ATK. Good Defs Great Sp. Atk decent speed

 

#614 Kurimugan Dragon-type basic: Stats: 77/120/90/60/90/48 : overview Good ATK nice Defs decent HP and low Speed.

 

Also i like this pokemon as well

 

#625 Kirkizan Dark/Steel Stage 1 Stats: 65/125/100/60/70/70: overview HP ok. Atk good Def goo Sp. Def and Speed decent

 

#631: Kuitaran Fire Basice Stats:85/97/66/105/66/65: overview: Decent HP. Can be a great mix sweeper. Speed n Defs are medicore

 

#632 Aianto Bug/Steel Basic: Stats: 58/109/112/48/48/109 overview: Low HP, SP. Def good ATK, Def, n Spd.

 

#637 Uragamosu Bug/Fire Stage 1 Stats:85/60/65/135/105/100: overview: Decent HP. Special sweeper type: High Sp. ATK nice Sp. Def and good speed.

 

 

[Flame Dragon]

So I finally have my Water/Electric type. Ironically it comes in the form of Rotom. So with this gen Rotom's type changes to match the move he gets in his different forms.

 

Any guesses on what will happen to Rotom with this change.

[Felix]

More than anything it'll stop being a spin blocker it once was, Dusknoir or one of the new EPIC looking Ghosts will take it's place. They'll get STAB on their move though, so there's still a big incentive for them to be used. I can't really be bothered thinking into it any more than that.

 

The red ninja/spaceman looks sexy and is my new fave.

[.Leo]

So I finally have my Water/Electric type. Ironically it comes in the form of Rotom. So with this gen Rotom's type changes to match the move he gets in his different forms.

 

Any guesses on what will happen to Rotom with this change.

 

I find that Ghost/Electric is a better typing for it tbh.

[Flame Dragon]

I really wish it lost the Electric type in the change, and not the Ghost. Still so long as it gets some other moves with the change rotom should still old up. It just sucks that for the original type you need to use the much worse base Rotom.

 

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldabilities.shtml

 

Some pokemon just got better. None got worse.

[Madsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JC_y6j6zLw

Some s*** for bishies.

[DeathSDelano]

Well i think i get why the lamprey was not part Water. It has the levitate ability and is pure eletric MEANING it has no weaknesses at all.

[Flame Dragon]

Yep. To bad his base speed is only 50 meaning he won't be able to do much damage before he dies, cause even with no weaknesses a 85/80/80 defense lay out is not good.

[DeathSDelano]

ya in OU but can be decent in UU if DPs OU doesnt take over UU

 

though he does have 115 ATK / 105 Sp. ATK so if you can get a hit in it will do some damage though not as good as some of the others

 

such as Kurimugan the Pure Dragon with 90 Defs n only 48 Spd but 120 ATK

[Flame Dragon]

ya in OU but can be decent in UU if DPs OU doesnt take over UU

 

though he does have 115 ATK / 105 Sp. ATK so if you can get a hit in it will do some damage though not as good as some of the others

 

such as Kurimugan the Pure Dragon with 90 Defs n only 48 Spd but 120 ATK

Yea. IMO a lot of the pokemon seem like really good UU pokemon.

 

Kurimugan has nice the nice bonus of being Dragon so he takes half damage on 4 really common types. If he learns some recover move he could make a great tank.

 

I want to know if OU is still going to be just the top 40-50 pokemon. From the last gen that was about 10% of all pokemon. Now if we want the same percent we'd need 60-70 pokemon in OU. I hope more pokemon will be able to call themselves OU.

[DeathSDelano]

Some of the new pokemon have nice Stats and only like a few of this gens final evos have not so great stats

 

Sazando is has nice Stats and i think he is one of the most balanced psedo-legends so far

 

But i have to say i really like how Goruggo looks and Kojondo looks pretty nice as well

 

O ya how do you think this Gens new Steel/Bug Shubarugo will stack up

[Flame Dragon]

Yea, lot of the stats are good, but not great. From stats alone I don't think may pokemon will end up OU. Still, time may prove me dead wrong.

 

Also, what are the odds of the new Shadow Tag pokemon going to uber? Or should the ability just get banned?

[Tentacruel]

Suicune has Water Absorb now. IMO, it might increase its use.

[Flame Dragon]

It kind of has to. Pressure is a meh ability, while Water Absorb is great. That's what I love about the Dream World abilities. While some pokemon are going to get useless abilities (Manectric) others are getting better ones (Exploud).

[Dark]

From what I speculate, a lot of Pokemon including non-legends will become Uber, and a lot of Pokemon will be UU or BL. We have some really hard hitters, but the Speed tiers are just messed up because of Base 97, 98, 99, and 101 Base Speed. If you have something with 140 Attack and 99 Base Speed, you are pretty much screwed by the 100-Base-Speed line of the metagame.

[Flame Dragon]

I don't know. Like you said a lot of the high ATK pokemon don't make the 100 base speed mark. Regardless of what their fate is going to be it's going to take a while to get everything together.

 

I do agree though that a lot of pokemon might end up UU or BL. A large number of the pokemon have good stats but not great so we might get a lot new pokemon in the lower tiers.

[DeathSDelano]

I don't think they were trying to make pokemon for the current tiers maybe they were trying to make a separate one of this gen maybe? Because i mean i dont see any pokemon whos stats really stack up to the past gen pokemon that were all connected up until this gen

[Flame Dragon]

It would be cool if this gens pokemon had their own little meta. Granted if they did it's easy to guess how thinks might turn out.

 

Any way, we now know what new abilities do. So thoughts on the good ones?

[Tentacruel]

It would be cool if this gens pokemon had their own little meta. Granted if they did it's easy to guess how thinks might turn out.

 

Any way, we now know what new abilities do. So thoughts on the good ones?

Mummy is pretty cool. Especially against Pokemon that rely on their ability, like Poison Heal Belroom and Pure Power Medicham.

[Admiral Tim]

Well i think i get why the lamprey was not part Water. It has the levitate ability and is pure eletric MEANING it has no weaknesses at all.

 

 

I assume your talking about if it had water typing???? like a 5th gen spiritomb

[Dark]

Reshiram and Zekrom... their abilities are really awkward. It makes the attack hit no matter what, but accuracy mods are probably still there. It can only bypass immunities or abilities (Levitate, Flash Fire). Not really the best of abilities, but we don't know the full extent of "no matter what".

[Flame Dragon]

We'll see soon. Any way they should both be uber so it shouldn't make much difference.

 

Any way some links to new stuff

 

Moves:

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/attacks.shtml

Abilities

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/ability.shtml

 

Also, I'm working on my first B/W team. Should be fun. I'll post when I'm done.

[Toffee.]

Mummy is pretty cool. Especially against Pokemon that rely on their ability, like Poison Heal Belroom and Pure Power Medicham.

You do realize that Mummy is not only an awesome effect, but its also really situational.

The opponents Pokemon has to attack Desukan with a physical[/s] move in order for them to get the Mummy effect.

 

.....At least I think.

I might have to double check.