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[JadenxAtemYAOI]

You do know Return is better then both Strength and Crush Claw. At max it hit a little over 100 base power and with stab jumps to over 150. Used to be 70 max far as I heard I'm not sure how Truant works with Giga Impact so I'll trust you when you say it's better. Also, why Faint Attack over Shadow Claw? Sure Normal pokemon are immune, but the damage out put is so much better at 120 vs 140 on 2x hits. Plus the always hit bonus is so much worse then the increase crit odds one. Not sure, I'm a paranoid player

 

You haven't seen Subleon sweep have you. Trust me with Agility (you should cut Signal Beam since it doesn't add any needed coverage anyway)Kills grass types and the Petaya + Ability boost his Surf/Hydro Pump puts holes in teams and Ice Beam is a great clean up move. However if they have a priority fighting move the combo is useless and with cinderblock clown so popular I wouldn't recommend it without a good clown check (you do have one fyi, Gliscor). I would do a defensive set to take advantage off all his resistances. However for an aggressive set like the one your looking for the Sub set would be best imo.

 

Also, for your Scor, you might want to drop U-Turn or SD since they don't work all that well together. I'd say add on Ice Fang since Ice moves are always nice to have. I have u turn for switching out fast.

 

Also taking advantage of Steel stab is rarely worth it on Emp or Heat since they simply have better moves. For Heat give it Overheat and for Emp give is Grass Knot. Lava plume is needed more due to the ally being Chandelure with flash fire

 

Also, why in the world are you using Metang? If it's for the DEF boost of the item it really isn't worth it since you loss out on an item (Leftovers is your friend) and higher HP, ATK, and SPE stats. Also even without the stone Gross is still one hell of a tank and can take hits. Eviolite metang has higher defenses than metagross guaranteed

 

Also, it's not very good to have a team of 3 steel types all of whom are weak to EQ. Especially if this is for double battles.

The ally team takes care of earthquake users

[OnSlaUghT]

Return is terrible for Slaking as is brick break. If anything for fighting hammer arm would work. This is a flip flop team if you bothered checking my earlier layout. They're meant to work well with one another and giving Slaking brick break is a bad idea. Sure screen and reflect are annoying but my earlier layout can survive the oh so annoying screen/reflect. The said slaking has over 400 attack and 277 speed. Sure 277 isn't very fast but good enough to employ hammer arm. Giga impact with Slaking is great either way. Truant or no truant. Giga impact is unaffected by truant and if you're going to suggest something else suggest crush claw or strength. Substitute with empoleon is bad as well because it can't make up for lost hp and the special attack isn't high enough for it to be a payoff. Heatran is there for lava plume and the one I have EV trained has high enough defenses for it to not need scarf. I have two bronzongs. One with levitate and one with heatproof. In the tag battle bronzong can use skill swap to avoid the 4x weakness.

 

Kills grass types

 

I have u turn for switching out fast.

 

Lava plume is needed more due to the ally being Chandelure with flash fire

 

Eviolite metang has higher defenses than metagross guaranteed

 

 

Return is 101 power with max happiness. I said generic Fighting Move, anything would be better than Focus Punch, however lots of people used Focus Punch when Slaking used to cause mind games, so it was necessary.

 

Subpetaya on an Empoleon is butt rape, when you consider its 110 Sp. Atk, Agility boost (which I forgot to mention), Torrent, and the Petaya Boost. Which leads to a Surf of 350 power, coming off of a 350 Sp. Atk stat, or a Scald of 270 power. With 1 Agility boost, you can out speed many Pokemon with the proper EVs.

 

Trust me on this, Scarf Heatran is better than Specs Heatran as the latter has no means of out speeding threats, and dies to a simple earthquake. If you're going to use Heatran, use Scarf, Balloon, of Defense up the s*** out of it so you can use Leftovers, but with a support movepool.

 

Where's the Bronzong on the team then, cause I doubt one player is going to use 2. Not only is that stupid, but you can use Heatran as a replacement for the Heatproof and Gliscor for the Levitate one. and unless I'm wrong, you can't tag out your teammate's Pokemon to save yours, so the Bronzongs are redundant.

 

You have Ice Beam to Cover Grass Types on the Empoleon, leading to a moveset of Substitute, Agility, Ice Beam, Surf (this set a sweeper, the opponent won't live long enough to be burned)

 

U-turn is fine, but you have to consider that Gliscor has average speed, most Ice Beam / Punch users are faster than him, and the slower ones can die from his Earthquakes, so use appropriately.

 

What if the Chandelure faints, and the Heatran survives? Won't you want a move that wouldn't kill your teammate?

 

Eviolite Metang may have higher defenses, but you are missing out on Leftovers, Balloon or Choice Band. All of which can benefit Metagross more than a simple defenses boost.

[Canadian]

Which Gengar is better:

 

#1 - Timid 252 Speed / 252 Sp. Atk / HP

Black Sludge

- Substitute

- Focus Blast

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

 

#2 - Timid 252 Speed / 252. Sp. Atk / HP

Focus Sash

- Destiny Bond

- Focus Blast

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

 

Having a tough choice deciding. Which is better? For Battle Tower? Competative?

[OnSlaUghT]

Which Gengar is better:

 

#1 - Timid 252 Speed / 252 Sp. Atk / HP

Black Sludge

- Substitute

- Focus Blast

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

 

#2 - Timid 252 Speed / 252. Sp. Atk / HP

Focus Sash

- Destiny Bond

- Focus Blast

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

 

Having a tough choice deciding. Which is better? For Battle Tower? Competative?

 

Hmm Destiny Bond, never thought of that. Go with that one

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Return is 101 power with max happiness. I said generic Fighting Move, anything would be better than Focus Punch, however lots of people used Focus Punch when Slaking used to cause mind games, so it was necessary.

 

Subpetaya on an Empoleon is butt rape, when you consider its 110 Sp. Atk, Agility boost (which I forgot to mention), Torrent, and the Petaya Boost. Which leads to a Surf of 350 power, coming off of a 350 Sp. Atk stat, or a Scald of 270 power. With 1 Agility boost, you can out speed many Pokemon with the proper EVs.

 

Trust me on this, Scarf Heatran is better than Specs Heatran as the latter has no means of out speeding threats, and dies to a simple earthquake. If you're going to use Heatran, use Scarf, Balloon, of Defense up the s*** out of it so you can use Leftovers, but with a support movepool.

 

Where's the Bronzong on the team then, cause I doubt one player is going to use 2. Not only is that stupid, but you can use Heatran as a replacement for the Heatproof and Gliscor for the Levitate one. and unless I'm wrong, you can't tag out your teammate's Pokemon to save yours, so the Bronzongs are redundant. Never said i'd use two bronzongs. You're putting words in my mouth. I said I have two to choose from.

 

You have Ice Beam to Cover Grass Types on the Empoleon, leading to a moveset of Substitute, Agility, Ice Beam, Surf (this set a sweeper, the opponent won't live long enough to be burned)

 

U-turn is fine, but you have to consider that Gliscor has average speed, most Ice Beam / Punch users are faster than him, and the slower ones can die from his Earthquakes, so use appropriately.Please name a faster pokemon that has ice beam and use it effectively to KO a poison heal gliscor

 

What if the Chandelure faints, and the Heatran survives? Won't you want a move that wouldn't kill your teammate?I know how to use chandelure correctly. You're going to use Lava Plume once then switch out with something else

 

Eviolite Metang may have higher defenses, but you are missing out on Leftovers, Balloon or Choice Band. All of which can benefit Metagross more than a simple defenses boost.

Leftovers Metagross is terrible. He may have a high attack stat and bullet punch but what happens when you face a pokemon with 4x resistance? Hydreigon for example can use Earth Power or Flamethrower. Easily knocks out metagross even if it uses bullet punch.

[OnSlaUghT]

Leftovers Metagross is terrible. He may have a high attack stat and bullet punch but what happens when you face a pokemon with 4x resistance? Hydreigon for example can use Earth Power or Flamethrower. Easily knocks out metagross even if it uses bullet punch.

 

Please name a faster pokemon that has ice beam and use it effectively to KO a poison heal gliscor

 

 

Swap to Gliscor or Heatran. Choice Band Bullet Punch should be strong enough to KO or severely damage a Hydregion.

 

Latios, Latias, Kyruem, Weaville, Froslass, Tentacruel, Starmie, can all use Ice Beam/ Punch and are faster than Gliscor.

 

I don't think Lava Plume is worth it, but if it works for you, then fine

[Flame Dragon]

Leftovers Metagross is terrible. He may have a high attack stat and bullet punch but what happens when you face a pokemon with 4x resistance? Hydreigon for example can use Earth Power or Flamethrower. Easily knocks out metagross even if it uses bullet punch.

Very few pokemon have 4x Resistance to Steel moves and even fewer are note worthy. The only two I can think of is Emp and Rotom W. Emp just dies to EQ or Thunder Punch while you can just switch out of Rotom if need be. Even if you don't, Rotom can't hit you back overly hard and said heal can really help give Gross an extra edge in it. And really, switching is a key part of the game and whenever your pokemon has a bad match up your going to need to do that. Also, the fact that Leftovers isn't going to keep him from being OHKO isn't an issue since it's not being used to make him live though super effective hits. The whole point of the item is to give him extra reliance to most normal (not type) attacks that he can stay around a little longer and put more holes in things. Really, Gross is a very good tank and affectively taking 6% less damage is a god send a lot of times.

[Canadian]

Which one is better for being a Physical Sweeper?

 

Heracross or Scizor?

[OnSlaUghT]

Scizor, after one Swords Dance, his bullet punches are monsters

[Monkey]

Which Gen V pokemon(s) learn the most HM's and Flash? I'm planning on having a few pokemon that know all the HM's just to make life easier.

[OnSlaUghT]

Which Gen V pokemon(s) learn the most HM's and Flash? I'm planning on having a few pokemon that know all the HM's just to make life easier.

 

I just used surf on my Samurott, Strength on my Conkeldurr, Fly on my Unfezant and Cut on something else until they stopped putting trees.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Which one is better for being a Physical Sweeper?

 

Heracross or Scizor?

heracross, scizor is predictable and easy to KO due to predictability. It's always bullet, x-scissor, swords dance, superpower or some other generic fighting move. Heracross doesn't have 4x weakness nor the predictability. Sure it doesn't have as much resistance scizor can have but a lot of people do carry a fire/earth move nowadays.

[OnSlaUghT]

Heracross doesn't have 4x weakness

 

*cough cough* Flying Type

 

Heracross suffers from being a relatively slow Pokemon with no Priority. Choice Scarf can fix that, but it locks him to one move, and he's rather easy to switch on, since his ATK isn't all that high nowadays, not to mention his abilities aren't all that great. Scizor has a priority move, great bulk and typing and a brilliant ability which helps abuse his priority.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

*cough cough* Flying Type

 

Heracross suffers from being a relatively slow Pokemon with no Priority. Choice Scarf can fix that, but it locks him to one move, and he's rather easy to switch on, since his ATK isn't all that high nowadays, not to mention his abilities aren't all that great. Scizor has a priority move, great bulk and typing and a brilliant ability which helps abuse his priority.

My memory on pokemon isn't that good due to my ds being lost, lol. Nowadays you're seeing hydreigon, volcorona, whimsicott, and sigilyth. Both have their easy ways of beating these two pokemon. You're either going to break scizor's predictability or use heracross.

[OnSlaUghT]

My memory on pokemon isn't that good due to my ds being lost, lol. Nowadays you're seeing hydreigon, volcorona, whimsicott, and sigilyth. Both have their easy ways of beating these two pokemon. You're either going to break scizor's predictability or use heracross.

 

Trust me on this, Heracross is worse than Scizor, even with a Scarf, it has trouble killing many Pokemon, and without a Scarf, it has trouble outspeeding anything. Scizor can outspeed with its priority Bullet Punch, which gets a significant boost with Technician

[Flame Dragon]

heracross, scizor is predictable and easy to KO due to predictability. It's always bullet, x-scissor, swords dance, superpower or some other generic fighting move. Heracross doesn't have 4x weakness nor the predictability. Sure it doesn't have as much resistance scizor can have but a lot of people do carry a fire/earth move nowadays.

Most Scizors I know run CB sets meaning most have U-Turn making them impossible to counter since you switch in counter x then they get free damage and switch out to their counter.

[So Legit You Quit]

Reuniclus

Modest

Regenerator

Calm Mind

Psychic

Focus Blast

Recover

 

Dragonite

Mild

Multiscale

Thunderwave

FlameThrower

Thunder/Thunderbolt/Roost

Dragon Pulse/Outrage/EarthQuake

 

Conkeldur

Adamant

Guts

Hammer Arm

Stone Edge

Earthquake

?/Substitute/Rest

 

Scizor

Adamant

Technician

Bullet Punch

U-Turn

Swords Dance

Super power

 

Mamoswine

Adamant

Oblivious

EarthQuake

Ice Shard

Super Power

?

 

Jellicent

Calm

Cursed Body

Hydro Pump

Will-o-Wisp

Recover

Substitute

 

 

All need items. So do what you do best, and rate/critique my team.

[OnSlaUghT]

Reuniclus (Life Orb)

Modest

Regenerator

Calm Mind

Psychic

Focus Blast

Recover

 

Dragonite (Leftovers)

Mild

Multiscale

Thunderwave

Fire Blast

Thunder/Thunderbolt/Roost

Dragon Pulse/Outrage/Earthquake

 

Conkeldur (Flame Orb)

Adamant

Guts

Drain Punch

Stone Edge

Bulk Up

Mach Punch

 

Scizor (Choice Band)

Adamant

Technician

Bullet Punch

U-Turn

Swords Dance

Pursuit

 

Mamoswine (Custap berry?????)

Adamant

Snow Cloak (on the off chance someone uses hail)

EarthQuake

Ice Shard

Super Power

Icicle Spear/ Avalanche

 

Jellicent (Leftovers)

Calm

Cursed Body I use Water Absorb to troll Politoeds, but this is good too

Hydro Pump

Will-o-Wisp

Recover

Substitute

 

 

All need items. So do what you do best, and rate/critique my team.

[So Legit You Quit]

Thank you Onslaught.

Lol, it's my first competitive team.

[Flame Dragon]

To continue with Onslaught suggestions

 

 

Reuniclus wants Magic Guard as its ability. You take nothing from Life Orb, Immune to the weather, and you can't be Poisoned out. Sure the free HP is nice, but trust me when I saw Magic Guard is a lot better.

 

I used Mamoswine all 4th gen and I always used Choice Band. The extra punch is really helpful.

 

And yea, Jellicent really should have Water Absorb since that's free heal and a 3rd immunity.

[So Legit You Quit]

Can anyone post there competitive team?

Or examples. I'd really like to know what works well and stuf like that.

 

Thank you.

 

EDIT:

 

Which should I lead with? Are there pokemon I should consider using over some currently on my team?

[OnSlaUghT]

Can anyone post there competitive team?

Or examples. I'd really like to know what works well and stuf like that.

 

Thank you.

 

EDIT:

 

Which should I lead with? Are there pokemon I should consider using over some currently on my team?

 

My team (Flame Dragon feel free to comment)

 

[spoiler=Team]

Bin Laden (Uxie) @ Choice Scarf

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spd

 

Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

 

- U-turn

- Trick

- Thunder Wave

- Stealth Rock

 

Satan's Pup (Ninetales) (F) @ Focus Sash

 

Trait: Drought

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Nasty Plot

- Fire Blast

- Hidden Power [ice]

- Energy Ball

 

Allahmence (Salamence) (F) @ Life Orb

 

Trait: Intimidate

 

EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)

 

- Dragon Claw

- Earthquake

- Dragon Dance

- Fire Blast

 

Latiass (Latios) (M) @ Choice Scarf

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

 

- Ice Beam

- Dragon Pulse

- Thunderbolt

- Trick

 

0verw8 (Gengar) (M) @ Focus Sash

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

 

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

- Destiny Bond

- Hidden Power [Fire]

 

Hard Wood (Conkeldurr) (M) @ Flame Orb

 

Trait: Guts

 

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd

 

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

 

- Drain Punch

- Mach Punch

- Bulk Up

- Payback

 

 

 

[So Legit You Quit]

I'm lovin' what you did with uxie. From the bit I know, that's a good way to set up stealth rock and then u-turn out.

 

I needed a stealth rock poke.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

i ended up having my cousin's bf raise this team for me but this team works well.

 

Darmanitan EV 252 attack 252 speed 4 hp Adamant

Sheer Force Item: Choice scarf

Moves:

U-turn

Flare blitz

Hammer arm

Stone Edge

 

Chandelure EV 255 special attack 255 speed Modest

Flash Fire Item: grass gem

Moves:

Fire Blast

Shadow Ball

Energy Ball

Psychic

 

Carracosta EV 252 Attack 252 Defense 4hp Adamant

Sturdy Item: Muscle band

Moves:

Stone edge

Water fall

Aqua Jet

Shell Smash

 

Hydreigon EV 255 Special Attack 255 Timid

Levitate Item: Special Lens(not choice specs but similar)

Moves:

Dark Pulse

Flamethrower

Dragon Pulse

Surf

 

Breloom Ev 255 attack 255 speed Adamant

Poison Heal Item: Toxic Orb

Moves:

Sub/stone edge

Spore

Focus Punch

Seed Bomb

 

Bronzong Ev 255 defense 255 special defense Calm

Heatproof Item: Choice band

Moves:

trick

skilll swap

light screen

flash cannon

 

My team (Flame Dragon feel free to comment)

 

[spoiler=Team]

Bin Laden (Uxie) @ Choice Scarf

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spd

 

Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

 

- U-turn

- Trick

- Thunder Wave

- Stealth Rock

 

Satan's Pup (Ninetales) (F) @ Focus Sash

 

Trait: Drought

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Nasty Plot

- Fire Blast

- Hidden Power [ice]

- Energy Ball

 

Allahmence (Salamence) (F) @ Life Orb

 

Trait: Intimidate

 

EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)

 

- Dragon Claw

- Earthquake

- Dragon Dance

- Fire Blast

 

Latiass (Latios) (M) @ Choice Scarf

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

 

- Ice Beam

- Dragon Pulse

- Thunderbolt

- Trick

 

0verw8 (Gengar) (M) @ Focus Sash

 

Trait: Levitate

 

EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

 

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

 

- Thunderbolt

- Shadow Ball

- Destiny Bond

- Hidden Power [Fire]

 

Hard Wood (Conkeldurr) (M) @ Flame Orb

 

Trait: Guts

 

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd

 

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

 

- Drain Punch

- Mach Punch

- Bulk Up

- Payback

 

 

 

Guessing you don't go by Smogon rules. *points to double items.*

[OnSlaUghT]

I'm lovin' what you did with uxie. From the bit I know, that's a good way to set up stealth rock and then u-turn out.

 

I needed a stealth rock poke.

 

A good Stealth Rock Pokemon is Aerodactyl, being immune to Sandstorm and having the 4th highest Speed, it could set up Stealth Rock effectively and use a Focus Sash effectively. Another one is Deoxys-S, he is the fastest Pokemon in the game so naturally he will set up Stealth Rock with ease, he's also bulky enough to survive the first attack (usually) and then hit back with Psycho Boost.