Kakashi Hatake Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 But I'm the one defending it.By saying that the story's plot twists make less sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 DADDY!!! just kidding... More like great, great granddaddy. So the end of Tobi and Madara come to an end... Kishi made it sound like it was the end of the entire manga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 By saying that the story's plot twists make less sense?than One Piece, yes. But I still say it's not the mindless mess of trolling that a lot of people are accusing people of. Most plot holes brought up by butthurt naysayers are terrible. So yeah, Naruto is still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 It's not the end of the world if he started all this over Rin (haha pun), I'd just think it'd be better if there was something a lot more deep and terrible than another love loss or whatnot. But I have faith in Kishi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Has the moral of Naruto become, "love makes you crazy"? Be it for your family or romantically. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 IDEA Kamui's immune to time flow. Meaning if Madara was able to somehow escape to that dimension before his death and meet with Obito, that could explain how they could conspire with one another.And that would explain how Obito would be able to power up enough to take on Minato and kill the Uchiha clan. I could accept that, but then that'd be marking another manga that's copied the Hyperbolic Time Chamber schtick :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Minato doesn't seem like a person who would have not noticed it was Obito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Minato doesn't seem like a person who would have not noticed it was Obito.Maybe it wasn't him. Maybe Minato was actually... OBITO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Maybe it wasn't him. Maybe Minato was actually... OBITO. No, not a chance. Waaay too many inconsistencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Kishi just needs to explain 1) How Obito survived2) Why he really turned into Tobi (don't give me this "I loved Rin" bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Kishi just needs to explain 1) How Obito survived2) Why he really turned into Tobi (don't give me this "I loved Rin" bullshitMy guess is Madara has everything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 My guess is Madara has everything to do with it. Oh I'm sure Madara had something to do with it. Despite Kishi blatantly confirming Tobi as Obito, I still don't feel convinced. Why when every time Obito referenced himself, "I" was in quotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Everyone's forgetting that Madara was fighting the Kages, so if he's there now......... I really hope Kishi didn't just kill every Kage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Oh I'm sure Madara had something to do with it. Despite Kishi blatantly confirming Tobi as Obito, I still don't feel convinced. Why when every time Obito referenced himself, "I" was in quotations.I think its something along the lines of his body is being used by someone else, but he consented to it or w/e. Everyone's forgetting that Madara was fighting the Kages, so if he's there now......... I really hope Kishi didn't just kill every Kage.When all the dead people died again they showed he ran from the fight to get the 9 tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Everyone's forgetting that Madara was fighting the Kages, so if he's there now......... I really hope Kishi didn't just kill every Kage. The Kage and the rest of the Shinobi Alliance are just going to show up and backup Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Guy now and use the FORBIDDEN 5 KAGE SUPER ATTACK TECHNIQUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 What if Orochimaru/Kabuto (if he wakes up) does Edo Tensei on Rin? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 People hate Jason Todd?! When was I told?! I love the guy! D: Did you ever wonder why he was killed off in the first place? People hated him even then, and DC held an event where people would call in to say whether or not they wanted him to survive. When he came back, people were upset over it. And let's not even get into Red Hood and the Outlaws, although I hear that book has seen vast improvements and has garnered some fans. Chill out guys. Love can make people do some pretty crazy things. Plus, we still haven't heard the actual explanation. But hey, if you want the plot twists to make more sense, you're reading the wrong manga. No seriously, go read One Piece. Sure, but first, you must read Beelzebub. Kishi just needs to explain 1) How Obito survived2) Why he really turned into Tobi (don't give me this "I loved Rin" bullshit "I loved Rin" somewhat works for me. He's blaming Kakashi because Obito trusted him to take of her, and Kakashi failed him. Maybe THAT is how Kakashi got the Mangekyo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I'd buy the hyperbollic time chamber thing. I also think that the reason Minato didn't recognize his chakra is because of the Zetsu chakra interfering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Guys, can they really sense who each other are just by chakra? I mean, I don't think they can. If they could, Minato or Kakashi would've noticed Obito. You guys just seem like you're taking the idea from DBZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Guys, can they really sense who each other are just by chakra? I mean, I don't think they can. If they could, Minato or Kakashi would've noticed Obito. You guys just seem like you're taking the idea from DBZ.I'm taking reference from Naruto and Sasuke's fight. The whole "understanding each other through fists". Also, Bee does it quite often. Edit: Wasn't Karin able to sense the Raikage at the Summit, even though they had never met? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I'm taking reference from Naruto and Sasuke's fight. The whole "understanding each other through fists".I just assumed that was a one time bullsh*t thing because Sasuke is a f**- er, I mean a not very good character. Also, Bee does it quite often.Really? I haven't noticed. :I Edit: Wasn't Karin able to sense the Raikage at the Summit, even though they had never met?I really never read any of that part of the series. I pretty much started reading bits and pieces then stopped for a while then started again way later around the beginning of the war and I still knew what the hell was going on with everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Only Naruto was able to sense everybody's chakra when he noticed Kakashi's was missing during the fight with pain while he was in Sage mode. So I only think people with sage mode (or sensory types) can tell people apart by chakra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Only Naruto was able to sense everybody's chakra when he noticed Kakashi's was missing during the fight with pain while he was in Sage mode. So I only think people with sage mode (or sensory types) can tell people apart by chakra.Every Dragon Ball Z-fighter is a Sennin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimalFear Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Suspension of disbelief would let me beleive that people can have special powers or that a damaged body can be fixed. It doesn't let me beleive that the eye could survive being crushed since even though the characters have magical powers they are still are susceptible to things that can damage/kill normal people. You guys are still not seeing what I was saying earlier..... If Tobi is really obito, that means Obito also has the power of traveling to the other demension. His right side would never have been crushed but from the outside no one would be able to tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 You guys are still not seeing what I was saying earlier..... If Tobi is really obito, that means Obito also has the power of traveling to the other demension. His right side would never have been crushed but from the outside no one would be able to tell the difference.Yes, but to do that he had to have the Mangekyou sharingan which I highly doubt that he unlocked the Mangekyou ten minutes after awakening his sharingan for the first time ever. Also, how do you explain the scars now and the blood that was coming out of him when he was crushed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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