Big Bad Pennar Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 PEOPLE' date=' if you want to make an Rp just for fun, make it in the Games Section, since you want to do it for fun the post count shouldn't matter.[/quote'] Epic Idea, The only problem? What would the Mods there think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Tim Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 the advance claus ruin the role play section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 PEOPLE' date=' if you want to make an Rp just for fun, make it in the Games Section, since you want to do it for fun the post count shouldn't matter.[/quote'] Epic Idea, The only problem? What would the Mods there think of it? I doubt they'd care. There have been RPG there before. the advance claus ruin the role play section lolno. You only think that because you have bad grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 This isn't a problem about RPing at all.It is a problem with common sense. An RP is a game based on communication and description. How would 2 sentences be vivid enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Sheena, Icy, Shadius, I believe that your argument could have easily been done over PM, MSN, or some other sort of medium. I for one love the idea of the Advanced Clause, but seeing the controversy that it has caused, I believe it should not stay in effect and simply be an option for topic creators to add. If you want the quality of the roleplays here to improve, just start a roleplay that is somewhere in between Standard and Advanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Tim Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 true, and i do not have bad grammer, well now i support the advance claus before people were yelling at me that i might get banned for doing the slightest thing wrong, i controlled a snake, it bit my character, they called it god modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Link to the post, please? Really, the only thing I would really enforce is solid grammar (spelling, capitalization, and punctuation) and posts that are more than one line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderately_Friendly Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Sheena' date=' Icy, Shadius, I believe that your argument could have easily been done over PM, MSN, or some other sort of medium. I for one [b']am Neutral[/b] the idea of the Advanced Clause, but seeing the controversy that it has caused, I believe it should not stay in effect and simply be an option for topic creators to add. If you want the quality of the roleplays here to improve, just start a roleplay that is somewhere in between Standard and Advanced. ^This. I edited it to fit me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitch Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 With the sudden uproar, honestly, I pose you this question people: What would you prefer:A) To settle upon something instead of your idiotic arguing, to finally decide this once and for all.B) To push onwards with your constant bickering and end up with the Roleplay forum being closed, simply because it's the only decent thing to do without bringing out a flame war. Answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I dunno... At first glance, the Advanced Clause seems like a decent idea, but when put into practice it seems to cause nothing but controversy.It's all been said here, that is true. Why put rules on something that's basically a community story? It's writing -- there aren't supposed to be rules to what goes on.Sure, I as much as the next person also dislike when someone posts only OoC comments for two pages, but I really think it's the responsibility of the RP owner to deal with that. And if it's them, then I'd rather just leave the RP instead of create a bunch of rules on how to use my imagination.When I look through these posts concerning the Advanced Clause, all I really see is Mods arguing about it. Really, has the Advanced Clause helped?All I've noticed since I've seen it put into effect is that RP's seem to be less and less active. It's restricted what we can do.And why the four line minimum? Sometimes there's a very active part of the story, where you don't have enough material to post as much. I know I've gotten stuck, and had to make up a bunch of meaningless crap just to stick to this rule that kind of makes my post full of nothing important. I rather dislike doing that.In the end, I think it's the responsibility of the RP'ers and the RP owners to deal with their members and how the RP is going. If a Mod sees two or three pages of OoC conversation going on, sure, post and give them a warning. But if the only thing going on is that each person is posting maybe one sentence, advancing the plot slowly, that's still ADVANCING THE PLOT. There is no reason to crack down on them just because it's hard to write a good paragraph or two on the wind blowing or something miniscule like that. So, my opinion? The Advanced Clause is good in theory... but in practice, it's causing nothing but conflict. I really don't care whether it stays or it goes. If I see "bad" RP'ing, I simply leave the RP. That's MY decision, not the decision of the Moderators who stick these rules on the forum. If you believe that RP'ers are smart enough and want to RP bad enough, they'll be able to regulate themselves. If the Advanced Clause stays, I'm staying here. If the Advanced Clause goes, I'm staying here. I really don't care either way, but if I HAVE to choose, I suppose I'd rather do away with it. (And I just noticed I accidentally clicked the wrong option in the Poll... oops. >_>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Anyone opposing's a damn fool. You're basically saying "I WANNA RPSPAM FOR POST COUNT. >=(" So yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I'm both with, and against it.I hate it since ooc only post will get you warned. There are now many times when i was about to ask where are we during the RP due to me being away for a certain time frame and coming back to see 2 new pages in less then 10 min. And by the time i finish reading it, there are even more pages to read. I am with it since It makes the RP more in depth. To remove it would be opening the gate for spammers and horrid RPers. To mod it slightly to include the ooc only post are the only exception might be needed for those who needs to catch up and don't have time to read all the pages. Now the RPs are longer (both a good and bad for those who can't read quickly). It also weeds out lazy RPers, spammers, and people who don't let other counter stuff. Other then that I have this to say. LONG LIVE THE ADVANCED CLAUSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davok Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 ^ There's a PM system for a reason, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wait, why do I have to PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I rather like the AC. It culls down the RPs filled with nothing but one liners, which are a problem. Why? Rps with one-liners tend to get rapid-fire posts mainly for this reason. Most AC-compliant RPs take a period of time between each post to add the required detail, and are often pushed aside by the formerly mentioned one-liner RPs. It isn't really a MAJOR problem, I suppose, but it IS still very annoying. Not to mention that sole OOC posts are a huge pet peeve of mine- (If you haven't the interest in the story to read up on what you missed, at least have the decency to not disrupt the flow of the RP, thank you). Advanced Clause is not communism, restrictive, or whatever anyone else is saying. Ignoring the fact communism isn't inherently evil either, Advance Clause is actually fairly minimalistic compared to other similar rule sets I've seen on other sites- (Many of them not even RP-centered, just like this particular site. Just because RPing isn't the explicit purpose of the site doesn't mean there shouldn't be some standard of quality), and is rarely ever enforced anyway. In fact, the only times I've ever seen RPs closed due to AC infringement were script fics, which most people agree are a no-no anyway.And can anyone actually attest that anyone was actually BANNED due to not following the AC? I'd really hate to see all further conversations about this locked due to immature acting on both sides of the controversy here. Can't we have a civilized debate about this without descending into a flame war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I'm Fairly neutral. The advance clause is great, Setting bad RPers straight, but seeing all of the conflict its caused....I really don't know what to say. I don't want spam, But I don't want The RP section to get closed from Arguments. Overall, I hope something that will benifit Every RPer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Pennar Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 ^ There's a PM system for a reason' date=' you know.[/quote'] ^ There are People that Block their PM, you know But Anyway... If i did not have any Friends that are Low-level RPers, I would Really Be Neutral as Snitch's First RP taught me everything about Dialogue..... @ Majortim: Perfectionists Like to call almost freaking anything out of the Plot Godmodding, also Link Please @ Polaris: It Takes one to know one![/momsknowledge] @ Snitch: A. I'm trying to Keep this forum section Open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Perhaps if our two groups cannot live together under the Advanced Clause, maybe we can institute a label system. Here's what I'm thinking: [FFRP] : Stands for Free Form RolePlay. Threads marked as such are completely free from the Advanced Clause and RPers on these threads are free to one-line post and RPspam to their hearts content like they want so badly. Higher level RPing is encouraged, but is not required. [MLRP] : Stands for Mid Level RolePlay. Threads marked as such have a watered down version of the Advanced Clause applied to them, making for better RPing quality for maturing RPers who are tired of the FFRP. Any FreeForm RolePlay is not admitted in these threads, but Advanced Level RPing is welcome and encouraged. [ALRP] : Stands for Advanced Level RolePlay. Threads marked with this label is for the Advanced Clause Loyalists like me. Here, in these threads, the Advanced Clause is in full effect and high quality RPs are the standard. Any unmarked threads are either Moderator announcements or spam. I believe that this label system could allow Advanced Clause lovers and haters to peacefully co-exist with eachother. Apparently, the AC haters are not willing to be guided by the AC, so we should let them learn that it is a good thing through lower level RPs. Who thinks this is a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 As an unashamed elitist, I support the proposition. My thought process: In (fan)fiction, errors such as script format and plot breaking are not acceptable. A roleplay is simply a collaborative (fan)fiction. By this logic, all rules that apply to (fan)fiction posts should apply to roleplays as well. Though the Advanced Clause is far more relaxed than the reforms outlined above, the Perfect Solution Fallacy is a fallacy, and the Advanced Clause is a step in the right direction. I therefore support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Perhaps if our two groups cannot live together under the Advanced Clause' date=' maybe we can institute a label system. Here's what I'm thinking: [FFRP'] : Stands for Free Form RolePlay. Threads marked as such are completely free from the Advanced Clause and RPers on these threads are free to one-line post and RPspam to their hearts content like they want so badly. Higher level RPing is encouraged, but is not required. [MLRP] : Stands for Mid Level RolePlay. Threads marked as such have a watered down version of the Advanced Clause applied to them, making for better RPing quality for maturing RPers who are tired of the FFRP. Any FreeForm RolePlay is not admitted in these threads, but Advanced Level RPing is welcome and encouraged. [ALRP] : Stands for Advanced Level RolePlay. Threads marked with this label is for the Advanced Clause Loyalists like me. Here, in these threads, the Advanced Clause is in full effect and high quality RPs are the standard. Any unmarked threads are either Moderator announcements or spam. I believe that this label system could allow Advanced Clause lovers and haters to peacefully co-exist with eachother. Apparently, the AC haters are not willing to be guided by the AC, so we should let them learn that it is a good thing through lower level RPs. Who thinks this is a good idea? I honestly believe this is the best option (Short of adding an Advance RP subforum), but this would require every RP to be "tagged". What are the chances that everyone's going to remember to tag every one of their RPs? You could lock every one that doesn't adhere to the rule, but that's liable to cause even more controversy and flaming than this already has. So we'd need some way to automatically add tags to our titles (Such as an option in the thread creation menu), but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's impossible without getting the Admin involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Well, I did consider the Advanced RP sub-forum, but that would definitely involve the admin and would only further grow the rift between the Advanced RPer and the Common RPer. Our goal is to keep our groups together in the same forum in peace and harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Although I don't RP, I think that it should be removed. I believe that RP people should have fun role-playing and not be restricted to long posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-sama Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The thing is, you haven't experienced trying to RP with people who respond with a single line. It's infuriating trying to develop an RP with only single lines to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Merciful Idiot Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisu Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Also, if you're in a conversation, it's impossible to follow the Advance Clause. I ended up putting in random stuff in my posts because of that. I agree with the tagging, though I think the FreeForm shouldn't be there. I have several friends who use Script Format, and I admit, I dislike it, BUT it's better to roleplay with fun posts that don't have much description rather than long boring posts. The Advanced Clause didn't really effect myself personally, though it affected what was around me. Threads are dying, and you're still squabling about Post Quality. Just wait for the forum to die, that'll be best for you. The Advanced Clause killed this area of the site. I'm spending most of my time absentmindedly clicking around the site doing nothing now. Also, BlazingHydra, you won't need one. Just add it in the title. I'll fight until the Clause is gone. You can't just force everyone to 'improve' like that. Everything takes it's own time to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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