Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Oh and by the way up coming Majestic Star Dragon and Majestic Archfiend Dragon for a turn will make all the cards on the list look like a JOKE!!!!!Where is the /sarcasm? Both of those cards are CRAP. They are hard as all hell to summon since you need a specific level 8 synchro, and level 1 tuner (who is also crap) and a level 1 monster (of which their are very few good ones). Not only that, but they are only on the field for a turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Gladiator Beasts and it's Gyzarus are a good kindof broken, it's what makes GladBeasts an awesome and considerable archetype. Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind is broken in a good way. it helps stop LOLSTIX from beating the crap out of the game. except for Chaos Command Magician. LOLBlackWhirlwind. Honest is Light Support at a discard. Broken, yes.Celestia, Lightsworn Angel is not broken, even though it's effect is awesome. Judgment Dragon is more broken than my father's heart. Breaker the Magical Warrior is an MST and then a failstick. Mirror Force IS broken, but we need it.Brain Control and Mind Control are broken, but we also need them.Heavy Storm is needed and NOT broken.Dark Armed Dragon is holyshit broken.Black Rose Dragon is not broken.Stardust Dragon is essential.Goyo Guardian is broken, and mildly overpowered because of LOLCAT synchro.Red Dragon Archfiend is just good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 This list kinda fails...Pretty much none of those are broken/ban worthy. JD should be limited though, I don't know much about GB so I can't say anything about them. And RDA, really? SD/AM should be on the list instead of normal Stardust, that card pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Gladiator Beasts and it's Gyzarus are a good kindof broken' date=' it's what makes GladBeasts an awesome and considerable archetype. Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind is broken in a good way. it helps stop LOLSTIX from beating the crap out of the game. except for Chaos Command Magician. LOLBlackWhirlwind. Honest is Light Support at a discard. Broken, yes.Celestia, Lightsworn Angel is not broken, even though it's effect is awesome. Judgment Dragon is more broken than my father's heart. Breaker the Magical Warrior is an MST and then a failstick. Mirror Force IS broken, but we need it.Brain Control and Mind Control are broken, but we also need them.Heavy Storm is needed and NOT broken.Dark Armed Dragon is holyshit broken.Black Rose Dragon is not broken.Stardust Dragon is essential.Goyo Guardian is broken, and mildly overpowered because of LOLCAT synchro.Red Dragon Archfiend is just good.[/quote']Why would we need something that is broken? This list kinda fails...Pretty much none of those are broken/ban worthy. JD should be limited though' date=' I don't know much about GB so I can't say anything about them. And RDA, really? SD/AM should be on the list instead of normal Stardust, that card pisses me off.[/quote'] While the lost does fail some of the cards he listed are broken. Also why 1 not 0 for JD? What about him changes at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 This thread is stupid and if I were a mod I would lock it. Justify all of the cards Exiro stated while you're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Gladiator Beasts and it's Gyzarus are a good kindof broken' date=' it's what makes GladBeasts an awesome and considerable archetype. Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind is broken in a good way. it helps stop LOLSTIX from beating the crap out of the game. except for Chaos Command Magician. LOLBlackWhirlwind. Honest is Light Support at a discard. Broken, yes.Celestia, Lightsworn Angel is not broken, even though it's effect is awesome. Judgment Dragon is more broken than my father's heart. Breaker the Magical Warrior is an MST and then a failstick. Mirror Force IS broken, but we need it.Brain Control and Mind Control are broken, but we also need them.Heavy Storm is needed and NOT broken.Dark Armed Dragon is holyshit broken.Black Rose Dragon is not broken.Stardust Dragon is essential.Goyo Guardian is broken, and mildly overpowered because of LOLCAT synchro.Red Dragon Archfiend is just good.[/quote']Why would we need something that is broken?Because only running Zone Eaters is stupid.Broken cards are an essential to this game. A million theme based Heavy Storms is a waste of time. Sometimes a holyshitbroken card has to appear for others to use because it's useful, too useful, or just plain DICK CHENEY EVIL in the meta. Sure the dick cheney evil cards are hella expensive and that's why people complain about them, but, all in all, without them, the meta would be dry, boring, and uninteresting. i'm probably missing a point in my conclusion, catch it if you can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Glad you feel that way@sephirothkirbyAnd locking a thread because someone disagrees with you is an abuse of power, thank god you're not a modIf you can tell me how the cards are balanced, and how they lead to a strategy driven YGO, then go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Glad you feel that way@sephirothkirbyAnd locking a thread because someone disagrees with you is an abuse of power' date=' thank god you're not a modIf you can tell me how the cards are balanced, and how they lead to a strategy driven YGO, then go right ahead.[/quote']The burden of proof lies with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 It's not a matter of disagreement. It's a matter of stupidity, you aren't giving enough valid claims, simply spouting "lol lrn2ygo". Let's go with this. "The burden of justifying why card X/Y/Z should be unbanned falls on the one stupid enough to think it should be", I think it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Gladiator Beast Gyzarus - 2 Free destroyed cards, easy as hell to get out, again, and again Test Tiger - Free SS, Rescue Catable, can be used to get get any monster in your deck out and give them their effect Gladiator Beast Bestiari - b/c of gyzar Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - infinishrink, easy to SS, lvl 3 tuner, tomato, whirlwind, allure Black Whirlwind - It's like a free gadget system for an already amazing archetype Honest - can win games and is almost completely unable to be stopped Celestia, Lightsworn Angel - mill 4 (which LS want) and prio kill 2 of any cards Judgment Dragon - lolcost to get out, lolcost to nuke, 3k ATK Breaker the Magical Warrior - +1 card, PoG is a +1 as well Mirror Force - This card is broken, awesome, but broken, you should know why Brain Control - Change of heart, 800 is a lol cost Mind Control - take opponents only defending monster, synch it, etc, it's pretty much a "destroy any monster your opponent controls and any tuner you control, then summon a bigass beatstick with another godly effect" Heavy Storm - mass removal is bad for ygo Dark Armed Dragon - <________> if you don't know then... Black Rose Dragon - explained earlier Stardust Dragon - lockdown card, essentially need to win in one HUGE swoop Goyo Guardian - 2800, lvl 6, synchro, change of heart built in Red Dragon Archfiend - punishes defensive play Chaos Sorcerer - easy as hell to get out, 2300 beatstick, can prio RFG any monster "The burden of justifying why card X/Y/Z should be unbanned falls on the one stupid enough to think it should be"1st - ad hominem2nd - I don't want any card unbanned, I want more cards banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Gladiator Beast Gyzarus - 2 Free destroyed cards' date=' easy as hell to get out, again, and again[b']Should be banned[/b]Test Tiger - Free SS, Rescue Catable, can be used to get get any monster in your deck out and give them their effectCat should be banned. With out him it's only a good cardGladiator Beast Bestiari - b/c of gyzarThen this isn't broken. Gyzarus is >_>Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - infinishrink, easy to SS, lvl 3 tuner, tomato, whirlwind, allureWhirlwind should be banned. Lets ban all of Allure's targets. Odds are the monster you Shrink will be dead by the time your turn ends so the fact that it's doesn't end doesn't matter. All Zombies are easy to Special Summon, lets ban all of themBlack Whirlwind - It's like a free gadget system for an already amazing archetypeBanHonest - can win games and is almost completely unable to be stoppedIt's basicly a theme version of Shrink.Celestia, Lightsworn Angel - mill 4 (which LS want) and prio kill 2 of any cardsIt's an archtype specific Monarch. Their is nothing wrong with that.Judgment Dragon - lolcost to get out, lolcost to nuke, 3k ATKBanBreaker the Magical Warrior - +1 card, PoG is a +1 as wellGadgets are also +1, lets ban them. It's broken for a different reason.Mirror Force - This card is broken, awesome, but broken, you should know whyIt isn't broken. It punishes people for overextending.Brain Control - Change of heart, 800 is a lol costBanMind Control - take opponents only defending monster, synch it, etc, it's pretty much a "destroy any monster your opponent controls and any tuner you control, then summon a bigass beatstick with another godly effect"That only works if you have a tuner. What happens if you don't?Heavy Storm - mass removal is bad for ygoBanDark Armed Dragon - <________> if you don't know then...BanBlack Rose Dragon - explained earlierThat combo fails because 1)It takes 2 turns, and 2) Assumes your opponent is stupid enough to set 3 nonchainable cards cards. Stardust Dragon - lockdown card, essentially need to win in one HUGE swoopIt's still is weak to several other means of removal. Plus it's easy to run over.Goyo Guardian - 2800, lvl 6, synchro, change of heart built inYes, it's a beatstick and a good one, but that is it. Also it is nothing like change of heart. It only works when he attacks meaning your giving up a chance to swing for 1/3 damage for a simple reborn effect.Red Dragon Archfiend - punishes defensive playUnless the monster can't be destroyed in battle any other monster can kill your defensive monsters.Chaos Sorcerer - easy as hell to get out, 2300 beatstick, can prio RFG any monster "The burden of justifying why card X/Y/Z should be unbanned falls on the one stupid enough to think it should be"1st - ad hominem2nd - I don't want any card unbanned, I want more cards banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Test TigerGladiator Beast BestiariBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindHonestCelestia' date=' Lightsworn AngelMirror ForceBlack Rose DragonStardust DragonRed Dragon Archfiend[/quote'] Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 mind control can also move a stardust blockade to ATK for game with other monsters. your points about gale were true, individually, but all together he is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Black Rose and RAD are not broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 mind control can also move a stardust blockade to ATK for game with other monsters. your points about gale were true' date=' individually, but all together he is broken.[/quote']If your opponent has Stardust out odds are you won't have many monster so unless it's late game you won't be able to take make the swing for game that easily. In that case an form of destruction is just as good since it removes your opponents monster for that turn. on every thing you said about Gale.1) Whirlwind should be banned.2) Allure has many other good monsters to work with, Zombie Master being one. Also their is the fact that Allure's legality is also questionable.3) The easy to SS thing goes for PSZ and all the Psychic tuners.4) Level 2 >>> Level 35) The Shrink effect is just as good as PSZ revival effect and Krebons "can't be destroyed in battle unless you pay 800 Life Points effect" 6) Tomato can summon many good Tuners, two of which I've already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 BRD is a game changer, if your opponent is raping face, just tune into this guy and nuke the field. Konami did the right thing putting it @ 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow™ Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 BRD is a game changer' date=' if your opponent is raping face, just tune into this guy and nuke the field. Konami did the right thing putting it @ 1.[/quote']Did you forget Gorz exists?And you can recover from a field nuke anyway, I have many times. Cards aren't broken because you have trouble against them..which is shown in most of the list.... <,< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 BRD is a game changer' date=' if your opponent is raping face, just tune into this guy and nuke the field. Konami did the right thing putting it @ 1.[/quote']Yes, he is a game changer, but that doesn't make him broken. Also if he was he shouldn't be at 1. Any monster in the extra deck is a 3/0 card since putting them to 2 or 1 changes nothing. Plus how often will you ever use BRD's nuke effect more then once? BRD is a game changer' date=' if your opponent is raping face, just tune into this guy and nuke the field. Konami did the right thing putting it @ 1.[/quote']Did you forget Gorz exists?Gorz should be banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 When did I ever say that"I have trouble with all these cards, therefore they are broken"people seem to want to keep inferring that <_>BRD is the YGO equivalent of a "get out of jail free card" imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 When did I ever say that"I have trouble with all these cards' date=' therefore they are broken"people seem to want to keep inferring that <_>BRD is the YGO equivalent of a "get out of jail free card" imo[/quote']Not counting the back row BRD is th same as a Lightning Vortex only this is hard to get off when you would want to. The reason for this is it's a pain to summon, only more so of one when your losing. This extra challenge makes up for the Spell and Trap removal. And if your opponent is hurt that hard by the effect it is because they were overexerting and this punishes them for doing so. Also to summon this you will often give up your normal summon meaning you can be defenseless at the end of your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Just because you aren't good enough to counter these cards doesn't mean they're broken. RDA?! Are you F***ing kidding me? Generic Synchros are bad for the game. "Aren't good enough to counter these cards"? Are YOU fucking kidding me? "Countering" these has nothing to do with skill' date=' it's just fighting broken with broken. DAD - Requires EXACTLY 3 Darks and can be countered by almost anything. Judgment - Requires 4 Lightsworns with different names and it's effect only works by paying 1000 LP. It also has the 4 Card deck mill. Please, try again. GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Generic Synchros are bad for the game. Way to general of a statement. Odds are I can list close to 20 generic synchros that aren't broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Lawl, this topic got to 3 pages Honest[/topic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I believe my comment was skipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 because I already explained all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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