The Following Cards are Incredibly Broken

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Test Tiger - (1)Free SS, (2)Rescue Catable, (3)can be used to get get any monster in your deck out and give them their effect

 

(1) Jester Confit, Instant Fusion, and... that... token SSing card are a much better example of a Free SS, then Test Tiger

(2) The Ojamas are also "Rescue Cat-able", but you're not honestly suggsting that's all it takes to make a card bannable? If so, then... hmm... maybe it's Cat that is the problem?

(3) I can already see I'm being a facetious ass so far, and I assume this is your biggest concern with the card. So, what's wrong with a -1 that summons a 2100 beatstick, a -1 that's an MST, a -1 that destroys one of your opponent's face-up monster, a -1 that's DD Crow, a -1 that brings back a 1600-1800 "beatstick" to the field, a -1 that brings back any card with Gladiator Beast from grave to hand... I think that's all of the ones that are frequently mained in a Gladiator Deck... Honestly, if you consider this card a problem considering the current card pool, you'd probably have to ban hundred of other cards first.

 

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - b/c of gyzar

But in your meta, Gyzarus is already banned. You're not Konami here.

 

"TER, Metamorphosis, and Scapegoat is a huge problem! Solutions folks!?"

"Ban the problem! TER!"

"Let's ban Metamorphosis and limit Goat too!"

"... BRILLIANT!!!"

 

Breaker the Magical Warrior - +1 card, PoG is a +1 as well

Thunder Dragon, Il Blud, and Gigaplant?

 

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - infinishrink, easy to SS, lvl 3 tuner, tomato, whirlwind, allure

Everything after "infinishrink" is negligible. Focus on that one if you're still arguing for it to be banned.

[DesCrow]

I never actually said to ban any of those cards, just that they are incredibly broken.

And look at the reasons you gave for test tiger, it's a "do w/e the #!@! you want easily card", and it's not a -1. You lose TT, and gain a new monster + it's effect (Which usually destroys something) so it's a +0, but it has like 19021 uses.

[El Majishan]

BRD is a game changer' date=' if your opponent is raping face, just tune into this [b']guy[/b] and nuke the field. Konami did the right thing putting it @ 1.

 

Black Rose is a girl and I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

 

I have to agree with honest being broken. He has to many loop holes and its pretty much "haha I lolz cause you can't stop my honest, oh yeah I triple honest for game and you can't do jack".

 

Test Tiger and GB Blue Bird made me lol. The only broken card GBs run is Gyzarus, ban that and GB's lose a great deal of power.

 

Star Dust is just annoying, not broken

 

Red Dragon? really guy? I play Threatening Roar and laugh at you.

 

Black Whirlwind is so broken its not funny anymore.

 

Goyo...Powerful yes....Broken, I'm not sure.

[burnpsy]

Red Dragon? really guy? I play Threatening Roar and laugh at you.

 

I have nothing to say about this topic, but I wanted to point out... This has been sated twice, but RDA exampts itself. If it's your only monster, nothing dies...

[El Majishan]

Red Dragon? really guy? I play Threatening Roar and laugh at you.

 

I have nothing to say about this topic' date=' but I wanted to point out... This has been sated twice, but RDA exampts itself. If it's your only monster, nothing dies...

[/quote']

 

I know, I'm assuming he has other monsters out. If so, then I laugh

[tonisanoob]

op is wrong but not that wrong

 

not only this, people are soo desperate to prove him wrong they are saying that dad and jd arnt broken

[El Majishan]

op is wrong but not that wrong

 

not only this' date=' people are soo desperate to prove him wrong [b']they are saying that dad and jd arnt broken[/b]

 

The guy who said that was told to GTFO

[tonisanoob]

aw okay nvm then, but even so

 

the list is still mixed

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Gladiator Beast Gyzarus - yes

Test Tiger - no

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - no

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - no

Black Whirlwind - no

Honest - no

Celestia, Lightsworn Angel - no

Judgment Dragon - yes

Breaker the Magical Warrior - no

Mirror Force - yes

Brain Control - yes

Mind Control - no

Heavy Storm - yes

Dark Armed Dragon - yes

Black Rose Dragon - no

Stardust Dragon - no

Goyo Guardian - no yes at 3 still abusable

Red Dragon Archfiend - very no

 

let it be herd

[El Majishan]

aw okay nvm then' date=' but even so

 

the list is still mixed[hr']

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus - yes

Test Tiger - no

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - no

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - no

Black Whirlwind - no

Honest - no

Celestia, Lightsworn Angel - no

Judgment Dragon - yes

Breaker the Magical Warrior - no

Mirror Force - yes

Brain Control - yes

Mind Control - no

Heavy Storm - yes

Dark Armed Dragon - yes

Black Rose Dragon - no

Stardust Dragon - no

Goyo Guardian - no yes at 3 still abusable

Red Dragon Archfiend - very no

 

let it be herd

 

Explain yourself sir

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - infinishrink' date=' easy to SS, lvl 3 tuner, tomato, whirlwind, allure[/quote']

Everything after "infinishrink" is negligible. Focus on that one if you're still arguing for it to be banned.

 

Quantity over quality in debates where the points are obvious enough not to be elaborated upon in multi-paragraph posts. Even so, with DSF and Black Whirlwind, an insane +stupid gone, Gale's fine at 3 imo.

 

Thunder Dragon

 

HEY. BUDDY. WATCH IT. THUNDER DRAGON'S PRO.

 

Generic Synchros are bad for the game.

Way to general of a statement. Odds are I can list close to 20 generic synchros that aren't broken.

 

The fundamentals by which they were created, their Summoning Condition, are ridiculous. You basically have an Extra Toolbox of 15 cards in your hand for use only at any given time. The invention of Generic Synchros did nothing but bad.

[Father Wolf]

WAT! Red Dragon Archfiend can kill searchers! Gale can shrink multiple times! Mind Control can steal monsters and use them to tune! Black Rose nukes the field! Goyo steals monster!

 

AND I RAEGED IN MY PANTS!

[Zkaiser]

All the bold are wrong

 

I wasn't going to respond to this thread but you just said that Goyo Guardian isn't broken. A 6 Star 2800 ATK monster that steals the monsters that he kills. Yeah not broken at all. What if Goyo was a normal effect monster?

 

Just the 6* 2800 ATK makes me rage. WTF. Those stats don't make sense.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus : True he's broken.

 

Test Tiger : Not broken at all.

 

Gladiator Beast Bestiari : If it wasn't for gyzarus he would suck.

 

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind : His effect is okay but the fact that he's a tuner really makes him a problem he's also a dark winged beast making this playable in nearly anything.

 

Black Whirlwind : Yeah this is a bit problematic you can't stop this on turn 1 and it's really annoying.

 

Honest : Annoying yeah but we need more playable cards to deal with this and he should be fine.

 

Celestia, Lightsworn Angel : Mobius isn't broken so why is that?

 

Judgment Dragon : Broken.

 

Breaker the Magical Warrior : Good but not broken.

 

Mirror Force : lol mirror force noobs.

 

Brain Control : Broken.

 

Mind Control : Not bad but at 1 it's okay you need multiple of these to have something really harmful.

 

Heavy Storm : It's pro don't ban this.

 

Dark Armed Dragon : Broken.

 

Black Rose Dragon : Ok it destroys your field too but it doesn't mean you can't summon him while you have nothing. broken.

 

Stardust Dragon : Broken as hell, if he was the meta we could unban raigeki, dark hole and feather duster.

 

Goyo Guardian : 6 stars with 2800 atk isn't too much specially since you need 2 monster to sp summon him he could be 3500 atk for all I care if it wasn't for this retarded broken effect it's better than snatch steal, broken.

 

Red Dragon Archfiend : He's okay he forces you to attack with everything you have and you can't summon anything in MP2.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

I never actually said to ban any of those cards' date=' just that they are incredibly broken.[/quote']

 

So you're one of those guys who just carelessly throw around the word "broken" without even knowing what it means then? Okay.

 

And look at the reasons you gave for test tiger' date=' it's a "do w/e the #!@! you want easily card", and it's not a -1. You lose TT, and gain a new monster + it's effect (Which usually destroys something) so it's a +0, but it has like 19021 uses.

[/quote']

 

Okay. What's wrong with a +0?

[jackmen10]

Yes alot of those cards are broken, and your points are valid. That is beautiful.

Now go and play a different game.

Whining about it is like a child whining about how his favourite toy which he plays with every day is bad. If you think Yu-Gi-Oh! has too many broken cards, quit. We will keep playing because all these "broken" cards aren't actually affecting our game much at all.

 

Do you remember back when Yu-Gi-Oh! started? It was a game of whoever has the strongest monster and gets it out first wins. While that was fine for the younger market, us teenagers and adults wanted more depth. So cards with varying effects were created. Broken cards are part of that depth.

 

If every card was at the exact correct position in the ban list, it would revert back into a game of simplicity.

[El Majishan]

Yes alot of those cards are broken' date=' and your points are valid. That is beautiful.

Now go and play a different game.

Whining about it is like a child whining about how his favourite toy which he plays with every day is bad. If you think Yu-Gi-Oh! has too many broken cards, quit. We will keep playing because [b']all these "broken" cards aren't actually affecting our game much at all.[/b]

 

Do you remember back when Yu-Gi-Oh! started? It was a game of whoever has the strongest monster and gets it out first wins. While that was fine for the younger market, us teenagers and adults wanted more depth. So cards with varying effects were created. Broken cards are part of that depth.

 

If every card was at the exact correct position in the ban list, it would revert back into a game of simplicity.

 

I lol'd at bold

[DesCrow]

more depth, lol

I doubt lucksacking into a generic ubermonster counts as strategy.

 

Also, I was talking that test tiger is essentially a +0, but with like, 9 different effects.

I know what broken means, and I DO think many of the cards should be banned, or limited, or semi-limited, but people shouldn't imply that I want to ban all the cards without me saying anything.

[HORUS]

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

Test Tiger

Gladiator Beast Bestiari

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Black Whirlwind

Honest

Celestia' date=' Lightsworn Angel

Judgment Dragon

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Mirror Force

Brain Control

Mind Control

Heavy Storm

Dark Armed Dragon

Black Rose Dragon

Stardust Dragon

Goyo Guardian

Red Dragon Archfiend

 

Just to name a few.

WTF is konami thinking with this kind of stuff?

in 2 years Yugioh will be about who draws the better hand, as there will be about 203032910 FTK options because konami thinks

"DERP DERP if it's broken, then instead of fixing it, we'll make something MORE broken!"

 

This game is built AGAINST defensive players.

[/quote']

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where is Twin Long Rods #2 on this list?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Also' date=' I was talking that test tiger is essentially a +0, but with like, 9 different effects.[/quote']

 

Also, it requires deck dedication. So, of the 9 different effects, which would you say is overpowered then? Or is it merely the fact that it can toolbox very well? Would you then agree Mystic Tomato, Shining Angel, Giant Rat, and all those other cards are deserving of a ban as well?

 

I know what broken means' date=' and I DO think many of the cards should be banned, or limited, or semi-limited, but people shouldn't imply that I want to ban all the cards without me saying anything.[/quote']

 

I'm not saying you want to ban all the cards, that's complete and utter nonsense. You just wanna ban the cards on the list you made.

 

By stating that a card is broken you are, not implying but actually stating as per the definition, the card is overpowered and deserving of a ban. That is straight up what the definition means. In other words, stop using words when you don't know what they mean.

[jackmen10]

When I said that "The Broken cards aren't affecting our game much at all" I meant that the game isn't so stupid you win on the first turn, or that 1 card instantly makes you win.

 

I found a really good topic which explains my point alot better than I can. It was either on here or TCGPlayer Forums and it was called "We're doing it wrong" or something like that. It was referring to the number of ban list discussions which were going on, if someone can find that I would be very grateful.

[Sleepy]

I'm just going to say my stuff without reading 4 pages of content at midnight, not to be harsh but that list is horrible. Before anything is thrown back at me, I'll actually try to explain xD

 

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

agree

 

Test Tiger

Even if he does speed the Deck and prevents GB from depending on Battle Phase to run properly. Its not enough to be broken' date=' its just good support. By tributing it for its effect, you are making up for w/e the summoned GB could do. The worst thing you can do are:

1) you got the searching (oh how great, since GB can't search in any other way [/sarcasm'])

2) Rescue Cat, which is limited now so, even with the combo still possible, its not as horrible.

 

Gladiator Beast Bestiari

As said before already, it destroys 1 s/t. MST is better at it, I'm not sure how can this be broken other than the Fusion but you already listed the Fusion so this shouldn't even be here

 

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

agreed although I'm not sure to what extent

 

Black Whirlwind

No actual comment here...hmmm....

 

Honest

He is just slightly stronger than a regular "rush recklessy" that needs to be used on a sertain Attribute, even if its awesome discarding from your hand. But if that is not enough, I can put an example:

-Turbo Buster < Exilied force. Because Turbo Buster needs to battle and most likely have you take damage to use instead of the easy way. In the same way attacking with a monster and discarding honest is like attacking directly, the easiest way would actually be to destroy the monsters first and freely attack directly. Even Fissure can do that job (its not a perfect example because Honest is sorta "quick play" but is the closest I could find, and still its not broken enough unless you are attacking a 4000+ ATK monster and discarding 3 of them while your opponent has nothing to defend... not broken at all, just good)

 

Celestia, Lightsworn Angel

Hell no. Its a slightly stronger monarch that needs a specific Kind of Tribute. Good monarchs get rid of 1 less card but they don't actually destroy so.. its sounds even, the only great part is the discarding from your Deck.

 

Judgment Dragon

Oh yess!!!

 

Breaker the Magical Warrior

DARK monster MST version must I guess?, needs to be Normal Summoned, its not horrible and S/T removal effects aren't that rare anymore, why is it so special?

 

Mirror Force

its a non-chainable trap, and some archtypes have their own version at 3. I think that's enough proof that its not that broken unless you attack with 4+ monsters carelessly

 

Brain Control

I sort of agree. It can help make a OTK I'll give you that, I've actually done it.

 

Mind Control

If its only for the Synchroing part, no. And I don't think using them on the Dark Ruler will be that great either. What's left?

 

Heavy Storm

yes, there is enough S/T removal already and saying that you risk your own S/T's too is stupid, I wouldn't use it if I had 4 on the field

 

Dark Armed Dragon

yess

 

Black Rose Dragon

lets analyze:

Chaos Emperor Dragon is ridiculously easy to Summon, its a semi-nomi only, it costs cheap 1000 life points to get rid of everything, doesn't actually "destroy" if you read it so some card effect won't be able to counter (stardust*ajem*), offers average of 3000+ damage to your opponent.

Gandora, sucks as a 2 tribute monster that will remove everything and gain the usuall 1200 ATK and stay for 1 turn.

BlackRose is dangerous but doesn't burn, needs you to synchro it, destroys*, destroys itself.

Barbaros/gilford both need 3 tributes

-so, you should maybe be saying dark lord zerato (and not even that because it dies at the end)

 

Stardust Dragon

Too many ways around it, check for the things that don't actually destroy it and turn it into a big waste. He's not broken, you should be able to cunter it unless you are playing against a TeleDAD, which I don't think is the case.

 

Goyo Guardian

I hate it, maybe

 

Red Dragon Archfiend

If you are playing decks with lots of defense, then your opponent's suck and this card even has a drawback for its effect lol. Defensive Deck aren't weak because of the splashability of this card, defensive Decks are weak generally, it would be awesome if they got some non-super-stalling suport but generally, they aren't too strong.

 

Just to name a few.

WTF is konami thinking with this kind of stuff?

in 2 years Yugioh will be about who draws the better hand,

That has already happened lol

 

as there will be about 203032910 FTK options

not all of them are good or non-situational so..

 

because konami thinks

"DERP DERP if it's broken, then instead of fixing it, we'll make something MORE broken!"

They don't always care for game balance, DAD and JD are living proofs of money makers and substitutes on purpose of CED.

 

This game is built AGAINST defensive players.

I must say, its hard to achieve equality for defensive and offensive Decks, but most people like the speed of the game anyways, its one of the things that makes it different from MTG.

[Tabris]

Gyzarus, Salinger, Breaker, MF, Brain, Heavy, and DAD are - in mine estimation at least - banworthy.

 

Black Whirlwind deserves a limitation at least.

 

The rest I have no idea why they were put there.

[Toffee.]

Gyzarus' date=' Salinger, Breaker, MF, Brain, Heavy, and DAD are - in mine estimation at least - banworthy. [b']If Heavy Storm is banned, wouldnt that allow Konami to semi-limit Trunade or something?[/b]

 

Black Whirlwind deserves a limitation at least.Konami is a fanboy to there own game, thats why the current list didnt effect this card

 

The rest I have no idea why they were put there.its for teh lulz

 

Post.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Gyzarus' date=' [b']Salinger[/b], Breaker, MF, Brain, Heavy, and DAD are - in mine estimation at least - banworthy.

 

Took me a minute...

 

"Salinger? The dude who wrote Catcher in the Rye? I don't get it. What does J.D. Sa- Ohh!!!"

 

On-topic: TC has yet to explain what the problems with the aforementioned cards are. What's the problem with defense decks being cut down? What's the problem with Test Tiger turtoring for multiple effects? And... so on.

[Aximil]

I'm just going to say my stuff without reading 4 pages of content at midnight' date=' not to be harsh but that list is horrible. Before anything is thrown back at me, I'll actually try to explain xD [/size']

 

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

agree

 

Test Tiger

Even if he does speed the Deck and prevents GB from depending on Battle Phase to run properly. Its not enough to be broken' date=' its just good support. By tributing it for its effect, you are making up for w/e the summoned GB could do. The worst thing you can do are:

1) you got the searching (oh how great, since GB can't search in any other way [/sarcasm'])

2) Rescue Cat, which is limited now so, even with the combo still possible, its not as horrible.

 

Gladiator Beast Bestiari

As said before already, it destroys 1 s/t. MST is better at it, I'm not sure how can this be broken other than the Fusion but you already listed the Fusion so this shouldn't even be here

 

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

agreed although I'm not sure to what extent

 

Black Whirlwind

No actual comment here...hmmm....

 

Honest

He is just slightly stronger than a regular "rush recklessy" that needs to be used on a sertain Attribute, even if its awesome discarding from your hand. But if that is not enough, I can put an example:

-Turbo Buster < Exilied force. Because Turbo Buster needs to battle and most likely have you take damage to use instead of the easy way. In the same way attacking with a monster and discarding honest is like attacking directly, the easiest way would actually be to destroy the monsters first and freely attack directly. Even Fissure can do that job (its not a perfect example because Honest is sorta "quick play" but is the closest I could find, and still its not broken enough unless you are attacking a 4000+ ATK monster and discarding 3 of them while your opponent has nothing to defend... not broken at all, just good)

 

Celestia, Lightsworn Angel

Hell no. Its a slightly stronger monarch that needs a specific Kind of Tribute. Good monarchs get rid of 1 less card but they don't actually destroy so.. its sounds even, the only great part is the discarding from your Deck.

 

Judgment Dragon

Oh yess!!!

 

Breaker the Magical Warrior

DARK monster MST version must I guess?, needs to be Normal Summoned, its not horrible and S/T removal effects aren't that rare anymore, why is it so special?

 

Mirror Force

its a non-chainable trap, and some archtypes have their own version at 3. I think that's enough proof that its not that broken unless you attack with 4+ monsters carelessly

 

Brain Control

I sort of agree. It can help make a OTK I'll give you that, I've actually done it.

 

Mind Control

If its only for the Synchroing part, no. And I don't think using them on the Dark Ruler will be that great either. What's left?

 

Heavy Storm

yes, there is enough S/T removal already and saying that you risk your own S/T's too is stupid, I wouldn't use it if I had 4 on the field

 

Dark Armed Dragon

yess

 

Black Rose Dragon

lets analyze:

Chaos Emperor Dragon is ridiculously easy to Summon, its a semi-nomi only, it costs cheap 1000 life points to get rid of everything, doesn't actually "destroy" if you read it so some card effect won't be able to counter (stardust*ajem*), offers average of 3000+ damage to your opponent.

Gandora, sucks as a 2 tribute monster that will remove everything and gain the usuall 1200 ATK and stay for 1 turn.

BlackRose is dangerous but doesn't burn, needs you to synchro it, destroys*, destroys itself.

Barbaros/gilford both need 3 tributes

-so, you should maybe be saying dark lord zerato (and not even that because it dies at the end)

 

Stardust Dragon

Too many ways around it, check for the things that don't actually destroy it and turn it into a big waste. He's not broken, you should be able to cunter it unless you are playing against a TeleDAD, which I don't think is the case.

 

Goyo Guardian

I hate it, maybe

 

Red Dragon Archfiend

If you are playing decks with lots of defense, then your opponent's suck and this card even has a drawback for its effect lol. Defensive Deck aren't weak because of the splashability of this card, defensive Decks are weak generally, it would be awesome if they got some non-super-stalling suport but generally, they aren't too strong.

 

Just to name a few.

WTF is konami thinking with this kind of stuff?

in 2 years Yugioh will be about who draws the better hand,

That has already happened lol

 

as there will be about 203032910 FTK options

not all of them are good or non-situational so..

 

because konami thinks

"DERP DERP if it's broken, then instead of fixing it, we'll make something MORE broken!"

They don't always care for game balance, DAD and JD are living proofs of money makers and substitutes on purpose of CED.

 

This game is built AGAINST defensive players.

I must say, its hard to achieve equality for defensive and offensive Decks, but most people like the speed of the game anyways, its one of the things that makes it different from MTG.

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