Great Unclean One: VK Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 The drawback and cost is what usually balances the card correct? I don't see why people say "limit that" or "Roayal Oppression should be banned".It got drawbacks and costs that effect both players, thus making it fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Besides, we've already seen how this can be used even inside of a deck that ss's a bunch, Synchro Cat made great use of this with Cold Wave. That strat has been killed, but it's still abusable with Vayu, Recruiters, Trag, and other things that summon in the dmg step (excluding Vayu). BWs use this and they SS like crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^-^ Y'know... This card isn't that great at all, actually. Now that l think about it... lt's not terrible, just... Bad. Protecting that hurts you too...? No thanks. Oppression definitely should never hit the list. Sure it's annoying. But if you're losing to this you're playing YGO wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^-^ Y'know... This card isn't that great at all' date=' actually. Now that l think about it... lt's not terrible, just... Bad. Protecting that hurts you too...? No thanks. Oppression definitely should never hit the list. Sure it's annoying. But if you're losing to this you're playing YGO wrong.[/quote'] Oppression itself isn't completly banworthy since the cards it combos with should be banned anyways, but it definatly isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^-^ Y'know... This card isn't that great at all' date=' actually. Now that l think about it... lt's not terrible, just... Bad. Protecting that hurts you too...? No thanks.[/quote'] How does it "hurt you too" when anything good that runs it was constructed to evade its punishment? Oppression definitely should never hit the list. Sure it's annoying. But if you're losing to this you're playing YGO wrong. You're giving no argument to support this statement' date=' so I'll be treating it as invalid until you do. Oppression itself isn't completly banworthy since the cards it combos with should be banned anyways, but it definatly isn't bad. "The cards it combos with" aren't the main problem. The problem here is that it discriminates against a massive number of cards which don't necessarily need to be punished. Those that do can just be banned, invalidating any benefit Oppression might've had to the game. It's the same with Stardust Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzuku Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Banworthy. f***er beat me to it' date=' AGAIN. Damn Ninjas.[/quote'] Bahahahahaha, oh wow, that needs to be quoted. And Oppression, I think, but look, its a hefty cost to pay so maybe Limited the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 lt hurts you too because it forces you to play carefully and slowly with a fast deck. Basically, you're forced to normal summon or waste advantage, and in the wrong deck can turn your entire hand rotten. And the last bit needs no proof because it's a fact. Oppression dosen't win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^-^ Y'know... This card isn't that great at all' date=' actually. Now that l think about it... lt's not terrible, just... Bad. BURN DAMAGE that hurts you too...? No thanks. RING OF DESTRUCTION definitely should never hit the list. Sure it's annoying. But if you're losing to this you're playing YGO wrong.[/quote'] Did I fix this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Banworthy. f***er beat me to it' date=' AGAIN. Damn Ninjas.[/quote'] Bahahahahaha, oh wow, that needs to be quoted. And Oppression, I think, but look, its a hefty cost to pay so maybe Limited the most. Bull, it'll stay as unlimited. It's balanced because of the draw backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 lt hurts you too because it forces you to play carefully and slowly with a fast deck. Basically' date=' you're forced to normal summon or waste advantage, and in the wrong deck can turn your entire hand rotten.[/quote'] Your opponent's losing much more advantage in that their Special Summoning cards are becoming dead and the cards they CAN Normal Summon aren't as adapted to being used in the sort of "Level 4 beatstick colosseum" environment that Oppression creates. Oppression Decks are more adapted to Normal Summoning, it isn't a problem for them. And the last bit needs no proof because it's a fact. Oppression dosen't win games. It directly results in games being won with minimal skill required in most cases, and it holocausts a potentially perfectly reasonable race of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMan Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Also, Royal is easily Counterable with: Solemn, Dark Bribe, Heavy, MST, Breaker, Mavolent Catastrope, Mei-Kei, etc. and most Decks with SS will have these to counter opression, aswell as themselves being able to use it. And wh was the guy who mentioned in an older thread about his friend making a Deck that SS so much against a guy with oppression that he won because he had such low LP afterwards? Royal Oppression didn't have those banworthy targets, it's still not banworthy, cuz other decks have the same amount of removal as other decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 XL Is on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 4) [Broken Card X] should not be banned because it can be countered by [Card S]. I'm not supporting it either way, but just because it can be countered doesn't mean crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I guess Jowgen the Spiritualist and Fossil Dyna are banworthy too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMan Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 don't forget special hurricane 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Also' date=' Royal is easily Counterable with: Solemn, Dark Bribe, Heavy, MST, Breaker, Mavolent Catastrope, Mei-Kei, etc.[/quote'] Counterability does not imply balance. Should the entire game be based around countering unreasonable effects? and most Decks with SS will have these to counter opression' date=' aswell as themselves being able to use it.[/quote'] If they'd be able to use it at all, it wouldn't be nearly to the extent that their opponent would be able to. And wh was the guy who mentioned in an older thread about his friend making a Deck that SS so much against a guy with oppression that he won because he had such low LP afterwards? Other broken cards and/or misplays must've had involvement if the Oppression user couldn't've simply won on advantage at a certain point. Royal Oppression didn't have those banworthy targets' date=' it's still not banworthy, cuz other decks have the same amount of removal as other decks.[/quote'] This doesn't even begin to make sense. Reword it or something. XL Is on the money. I don't care for post count-driven cheerleaders. Actually contribute to the discussion or get out. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I guess Jowgen the Spiritualist and Fossil Dyna are banworthy too? don't forget special hurricane 8) You guys are missing the point. Oppression is banworthy, because it is the continuous trap version of the 3 cards you mention, and it's better. 800 points/summon is nothing compared to the sheer amount of advantage you have while this is on the field. It punishes broken cards, but it also punishes everything else, which justifies why it should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I guess Jowgen the Spiritualist and Fossil Dyna are banworthy too? don't forget special hurricane 8) Special Hurricane is a one-shot effect. Its a Lightning Vortex that doesn't nessesarily affect all monsters on your opponent's side and that can also go against your monsters =/ The Spiritualist is a 200 ATK monster, battle is a lot more common than S/T removal. Also, Royal Oppresion has Imperial Custom... being a monster with those stats is a drawback itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Dahlia Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 @Polaris- I just had a discussion with you. Don't get mad because i'm proving a great point. @Theed, decree negates oppression and custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMan Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 The special hurricane was a joke :/ But oppression does slower to equal speed of that of decks that don't have banworthy cards and aren't meta. If we took away the banworthy SSumonable monsters, Royal Opression isn't as good, because most meta decks are SS crazy. lower class decks have other stradegies than SS, since SS is a usual key to meta/OTK decks. Thus making Oppression less playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 @Polaris- I just had a discussion with you. Don't get mad because i'm proving a great point. @Theed' date=' decree negates oppression and custom.[/quote'] Oppression stops JD, yet does that justify how both are NOT broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 The special hurricane was a joke :/ But oppression does slower to equal speed of that of decks that don't have banworthy cards and aren't meta. If we took away the banworthy SSumonable monsters' date=' Royal Opression isn't as good, because most meta decks are SS crazy. lower class decks have other stradegies than SS, since SS is a usual key to meta/OTK decks. Thus making Oppression less playable.[/quote'] Most Decks in the game weather they are meta or not, Special Summon. Its an essential part of the game. Dark Worlds, Toons, Fish, Dark Magicians aren't meta, yet they rely on Special Summon. If this card slows down meta Decks to the level of non-meta Decks, how much more will the bottom Decks fall? @Polaris- I just had a discussion with you. Don't get mad because i'm proving a great point. @Theed' date=' decree negates oppression and custom.[/quote'] 4) [broken Card X] should not be banned because it can be countered by [Card S]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Wow, this whole thread you people have been saying "it doesn't matter how good RO is, it's a type killer so it needs to be banned" and when I bring up fossil dyna (which is actually even more of a type killer, as it stops even in the damage step) all you can say is "well it's not as good as RO". How "good" does a type killer need to be to be banworthy? You're going to have to define that clearly before you can say RO is banworthy but fossil dyna isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMan Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Meta Decks against RO get badly hurt mid Meta doesn't get hurt to bad fail decks barely get hurt at all. So if we took out the meta decks, RO doesn't hurt as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 ^Did you just ignore my post? :(Not that I am in a specific side here (I have mixed feelings about it) but, elaborate.... Beatstick filled Decks and Monarchs are almost the only Decks that are not hurt by this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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